SB281 Real Time Discussion Thread

[Rn110rn110]

I don't believe any of those geniuses listened to any of the testimony from the senators participating in the debate. They are mindless donkeys in my opinion and will only do as they are told by their party affiliation.

Hopefully we will fair better in the House as the Senate is obviously filled with some very close minded people.

I really hope so. The applause really made it obvious that it meant nothing

 

[MadCat0911]

Purely symbolic - he voted AGAINST us where it counts.

Yeah, I let his aides know that I've never voted in a primary, but I am now.

 

[Biohazard2m]

What are our chances in the house? (To the best of anyone's knowledge )

 

[buzzsaw]

From what I'm hearing, house chances are slim as well, at least initially.

 

[TACAV]

Voted Yea (For)

Senate President Thomas Miller (Democrat)
Joanne Benson (Democrat)
James Brochin (Democrat)
Joan Conway (Democrat)
Ulysses Currie (Democrat)
Bill Ferguson (Democrat)
Jennie Forehand (Democrat)
Brian Frosh (Democrat) (main proponent)
Robert Garagiola (Democrat)
Lisa Gladden (Democrat)
Verna Jones-Rodwell (Democrat)
Edward Kasemeyer (Democrat)
Delores Kelley (Democrat)
Nancy King (Democrat)
Richard Madaleno Sr. (Democrat)
Roger Manno (Democrat)
Nathanial McFadden (Democrat)
Karen Montgomery (Democrat)
Anthony Muse (Democrat)
Douglas Peters (Democrat)
Paul Pinsky (Democrat)
Catherine Pugh (Democrat)
Victor Ramiriez (Democrat)
Janin Raskin (Democrat)
James Robey (Democrat)
James Rosapepe (Democrat)
Ronald Young (Democrat)
Robert Zirkin (Democrat)

Voted Nea (Against)

John Astle (Democrat)
David Brinkley (Republican)
Richard Colburn (Republican)
James DeGrange (voted to end filibuster-trying to play both sides) (Democrat)
Roy Dyson (Democrat)
George Edwards (Republican
Jospeh Getty (Republican)
Barry Glassman (Republican)
Nancy Jacobs (Republican)
JB Jennings (Republican)
Allan Kittleman (Republican)
Katherine Klausmeier (Democrat)
James Mathias (Democrat)
Thomas Middleton (also voted to end the filibuster) (Democrat)
EJ Pipkin (Republican)
Edward Reilly (Republican)
Christopher Shank (Republican)
Bryan Simonaire (Republican)
Norman Stone Jr (Democrat)

 

[hilpala]

https://www.facebook.com/senatoreddegrange

 

[usmctankmech]

Did they make any more amendments/ limits on how many guns can be owned or anything?

 

[TACAV]

Did they make any more amendments/ limits on how many guns can be owned or anything?

no

 

[danb]

From what I'm hearing, house chances are slim as well, at least initially.

do we at least have an idea what the vote looks like now? i feel very ambivalent about changing the bill. one the one hand, i want nothing or a watered down version. on the other hand, i want the most restrictive pain-in-the-ass bill possible because it would be easier to challenge and give a big backlash. i ALMOST now want the bill amended in such a way that it provides the most pain to the idiots who passed this (because i am somewhat confident that much of this will get struck down anyway, which would be a win-win).

 

[jhcrab]

Can someone conduct a public poll - ask the criminal element in MD if they are for or against SB 281 - I think we all know what the vote would be.
So, anyone who voted for the Bill today could be labeled as voting the same way that a criminal would vote.

 

[6-Pack]

Just changed my voter registration online to Democr....I can't even say it!

I need two beers and a good shower now!!

 

[Maverick0313]

This pretty much sums it up.........

 

[JasonB]

do we at least have an idea what the vote looks like now? i feel very ambivalent about changing the bill. one the one hand, i want nothing or a watered down version. on the other hand, i want the most restrictive pain-in-the-ass bill possible because it would be easier to challenge and give a big backlash. i ALMOST now want the bill amended in such a way that it provides the most pain to the idiots who passed this (because i am somewhat confident that much of this will get struck down anyway, which would be a win-win).

If the bill is restrictive our rights could get taken away for years before the courts get to it.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Did they make any more amendments/ limits on how many guns can be owned or anything?

Nope. Sorry for raising a flag. Been watching politics for a LONG time, they usually signal what's next....

For the anti's, that is the next logical corner to start painting.

 

[Dave]

was DeGrange the only one to cave on the filibuster? was his the vote that let it get to the floor?

 

[Bradw410]

What about mag size? Still 20?

 

[HoCoShooter]

If the bill is restrictive our rights could get taken away for years before the courts get to it.

I'd rather it not get to that point for several reasons. If it goes to the Supreme court, the court may well be hard left-leaning by then.

Even if not, how many of us thought Roberts was going to side with Obamacare? Nothing is safe or sacred anymore.

 

[Robert]

was DeGrange the only one to cave on the filibuster? was his the vote that let it get to the floor?

Yes, in practice.

 

[Haides]

was DeGrange the only one to cave on the filibuster? was his the vote that let it get to the floor?

Yup. If he had voted against cloture, we would've had a filibuster... (though Brochin probably would've voted for cloture if DeGrange hadn't)

I SERIOUSLY hope he brought some vaseline to work with today.

 

[danb]

If the bill is restrictive our rights could get taken away for years before the courts get to it.

thats true, i totally agree. I am not a lawyer, but someone else mentioned that this bill could be challenged Oct 1. A really totally obvious problem could get an injunction that would prevent it from being enforced. I think fingerprints personally are a really obvious problem, (and the fact that they keep the fingerprints on file to check for future crimes seems somehow to violate my 5th amendment rights too). At this point, in retrospect, i almost wish the license fee was $200 or something ridiculous. I almost wish they would REALLY narrow the training so that there is a HUGE bottleneck of people trying to get it. then blame the MD senators. just my offhand thoughts.