No permit to possess a rifle?

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

Hey guys, I am buying a 7.62x39 Molot VEPR semi-auto rifle. The price looks good and I really want to buy it as my first firearm. I know if I mod anything, I have to be 922R compliant. I'll get some standard capacity mags from VA.
The minimum age to purchase a rifle online from centerfiresystems.com is 21, and I am 19. F***K! I need it now!

1. Why do I have to be 21 to buy a rifle online, and 18 to own one?

2. If I can't buy it due to age restriction, is it legal for someone else to buy the rifle who is of age, then sell it to me? this transaction illegal for handguns.

3. Do I have to fill anything out with the ATF? Also, do I need a background check when taking the rifle in delivery?

4. Can i even buy an AK? Is the "assault weapons" (cough... bulls**t...cough) classification attached to the AK?

 

[I do not know]

No to #2,3,4; by Maryland law you cannot purchase an Ak47 until you are 21, however, the Vz58 is perfectly legal for you to purchase. I'm getting one in a few months myself.

Being 18 means you are allowed to purchase certain types of firearms, but only the ones that are not regulated by the federal government or the state government.

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

****KKKKK the VEPR's would have dried up by then. Damn.

 

[-Z/28-]

2. If I can't buy it due to age restriction, is it legal for someone else to buy the rifle who is of age, then sell it to me? this transaction illegal for handguns.

This is called a straw purchase. It is a federal crime that equals serious prison time for you and the purchaser. Bad idea.

If you're looking for advice on circumventing the law, you're not going to find it here. Best advice, find a different gun that you can legally own.

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

This is called a straw purchase. It is a federal crime that equals serious prison time for you and the purchaser. Bad idea.

If you're looking for advice on circumventing the law, you're not going to find it here. Best advice, find a different gun that you can legally own.

Yeah I know know that straw purchases are a nightmare, I thought that you could own an AK at 18, but the website sells it at 21. I now know that the AK is only obtainable after 21 in MD.

 

[RW2111]

This is called a straw purchase. It is a federal crime that equals serious prison time for you and the purchaser. Bad idea.

If you're looking for advice on circumventing the law, you're not going to find it here. Best advice, find a different gun that you can legally own.

Or just wait until you are of age to legally purchase

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

Or just wait until you are of age to legally purchase

That's going to be my plan. I'll ask my parents to buy it for me as a graduation present.... probably won't happen though.

 

[mikec]

That's going to be my plan. I'll ask my parents to buy it for me as a graduation present.... probably won't happen though.

MD makes what should be simple so difficult. In almost any other state you would be able to buy an AK clone at the age of 18.

If the parents will not buy one for a graduation gift, start saving $10 a week when you can afford that. You would have a nice gun buying savings when you turn 21.

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

MD makes what should be simple so difficult. In almost any other state you would be able to buy an AK clone at the age of 18.

If the parents will not buy one for a graduation gift, start saving $10 a week when you can afford that. You would have a nice gun buying savings when you turn 21.

The VEPR's are sooo cheap at $500, I wanted to buy one before their gone.They WILL be harder to get or expensive once I become 21.

 

[fivepointstar]

Can you parents buy one and borrow theirs? when you are 21 they can transfer it to you. Remember that it belongs to your parents nad not purchased for you

BTW....Welcome Comrade and Fellow AK enthusiest

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

My parents don't exactly like guns... so thats why i said it probably wouldn't happen. I have to buy it all myself.

 

[hvymax]

Unless you are an FFL you can't order one online either. You would need to find an FFL willing to do the transfer and go through them.

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

Unless you are an FFL you can't order one online either. You would need to find an FFL willing to do the transfer and go through them.

I think Engagement Armament will be my call as my dealer. I could just
buy a VEPR 12 shotgun instead. Shotguns can be owned at 18 so that wouldn't be a problem.

 

[kalister1]

I think Engagement Armament will be my call as my dealer. I could just
buy a VEPR 12 shotgun instead. Shotguns can be owned at 18 so that wouldn't be a problem.

There is your answer, go to Engage and they will tell you what you can buy.

 

[rob-cubed]

If your sense of urgency is a result of Obama's comment in last nights debate, don't worry... it's highly unlikely that the availability of AKs or VEPRs is going to change in the near future. There isn't nearly enough support in Congress for it and the Russians are happy to keep selling boatloads of them to us.

I would look into a VZ.58 as mentioned, it's similar to an AK in many ways and not on the regulated list. In many ways they are an improvement.

The VEPR-12 is probably going to drop in price after the initial offering... just like all the other VEPRs have. So while they are very cool I wouldn't be in a rush to buy one of those either. I remember being young and every dollar counted. Spend it wisely! Especially since you'll want to be able to feed whatever you buy.

 

[-Z/28-]

Another thought for the op: Have you considered an SKS or a Ruger Mini-14? Both are unregulated and legal for an 18 year old to own.

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

If your sense of urgency is a result of Obama's comment in last night-s debate, don't worry... it's highly unlikely that the availability of AKs or VEPRs is going to change in the near future. There isn't nearly enough support in Congress for it and the Russians are happy to keep selling boatloads of them to us.

I would look into a VZ.58 as mentioned, it's similar to an AK in many ways and not on the regulated list. In many ways they are an improvement.

The VEPR-12 is probably going to drop in price after the initial offering... just like all the other VEPRs have. So while they are very cool I wouldn't be in a rush to buy one of those either. I remember being young and every dollar counted. Spend it wisely! Especially since you'll want to be able to feed whatever you buy.

I am not too worried about Obama (I am worried more on Mitt considering that he was a co-signer for the 94-04 assault weapons ban.)

The problem is that the VEPR's are under limited importation by WPA, wolf performance ammo/arms. I cannot be sure when new VEPR's will turn up again. (
I am looking for a brand new AK, and most VZ 58 are used. The reason I want it new isn't just because, rather for assurance. I don't want to go to a gunsmith 2 years down the line over a misaligned trunnion or something.

Shotgun ammo is pricier per round than surplus 7.62.... I am starting to have second thoughts... Can I go to the range enough on a college students' budget? maybe.

 

[Mikhail Kalashnikov]

Another thought for the op: Have you considered an SKS or a Ruger Mini-14? Both are unregulated and legal for an 18 year old to own.

An SKS is a bit too old for my taste. I am sure it's a great rifle, but I am not really attracted to it.

 

[mikec]

I am not too worried about Obama (I am worried more on Mitt considering that he was a co-signer for the 94-04 assault weapons ban.)

The problem is that the VEPR's are under limited importation by WPA, wolf performance ammo/arms. I cannot be sure when new VEPR's will turn up again. (
I am looking for a brand new AK, and most VZ 58 are used. The reason I want it new isn't just because, rather for assurance. I don't want to go to a gunsmith 2 years down the line over a misaligned trunnion or something.

Shotgun ammo is pricier per round than surplus 7.62.... I am starting to have second thoughts... Can I go to the range enough on a college students' budget? maybe.

There is a guy in MD, the other side of the Bay bridge, his name is Mike. He is an Industry Partner here. He has his ATF manufacturers license. He can make any AK clone you want if you or he can get the parts. If there is an issue, he deals with it.

http://mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=120

I need to get in touch with him about a build.

 

[rob-cubed]

There's a lot of politics behind VEPR imports but nothing I've seen so far has led me to believe that it's a limited engagement this time around.

VEPRs were being imported a decade ago, but not in quantity and they didn't sell well since they were considerably more expensive than other AKs at the time. That has changed.

Then, Izhmash (maker of the standard AK) basically sued Molot (maker of the VEPR) over unlicensed production and essentially performed a hostile takeover and shuttered the factory for several years. Izhmash then claimed near-bankruptcy, and as part of the ensuing negotiations, they freed Molot to start producing again.

Given Russia's edict not to buy any more AK-pattern rifles for the foreseeable future, both Molot and Izhmash are VERY motivated to make up sales by selling sporters to the US. If WPA drops out another importer will pick them up, just like Saigas have been handled by multiple different parties over the years.