Handgun permit...how long did yours take?

[Dead Eye]

After I was Disapproved a few wks back, I sent in a request for a FORMAL review of my Disapproval, so yesterday received a letter from the MSP notifying me that my INFORMAL review has been scheduled for July 21.......

I sent them a reply thanking them for their prompt response (it was fairly quick), explained to them that I was a little confused with the process in that I requested a formal review not an informal one, but regardless, will be out of town and need to reschedule.

This was after they sent my disapproval to my neighbor's address--the letter was addressed to me, but the envelope was addressed to next door.

Man, they really make it tough in this state........

Move to DE, no sales tax.

Sorry to hear about your permit. I'd be interested to know the name of the reviewing officer, since I am currently going through a similar ordeal. I've been through the review, by the Appeals Board, and am currently awaiting a trial in Circuit Court.

It seems kind of odd, being refused and you have one of the most wider accepted justifications. Again, please PM me, if you don't mind, with the officers name.

Thanks,

Dead Eye

 

[Abacab]

Just got mine back from the renewal, mailed it 4/17/11 received it back 7/2/11.
JW

Do you still have to do the interview and give references on renewal?

 

[rambling_one]

I'll find out after the appeals process. According to the law, the Board has to disclose those reasons for denial after the appeals. Meanwhile, I await the Fla. Non-Res permit...............and am planning my retirement move to Delaware

All who leave MD under such conditions should send a letter explaining that decision to the Governor and their elected representatives.

 

[WSM]

In PA military retirement is non taxable. http://www.bw.eur.army.mil/communit.../Military and military retirement pay-tax.pdf

PA Tax reform of 1971 - PA Tax Code: Full exemption (72 P. S. § 7301(d)(i) & (iii).

PA is cash and carry on all weapons not regulated by ATF. They have a strong castle doctorine now. Easy ccw permit process that literally takes less than 20 minutes for a resident to obtain at a Sheriff's Office and with the exception of Philly is a mostly pro gun state. Just food for thought.

Just made a few corrections for those that are digging for info

I found the cost of living in DE to be much higher than on the other side of the border (Elkton). Food prices always seemed to be ridiculous compared to MD or PA.

 

[mh53gunner]

All who leave MD under such conditions should send a letter explaining that decision to the Governor and their elected representatives.

I have been writing and writing and the end result seems to be that they really don't care. Does not mean that I am giving up trying to change things here in the state, but one has to ask are we making headway towards legal carry here in MD?

The impression that our elected officials leave me with is one of good riddance you worthless gun owner.

This is too bad as I remember a different state. I can remember walking down the street in the Peoples Republic of Montgomery with my 22 as a kid going to the woods to shoot and no one cared!

As a gun owner here in MD you are treated like scum!

 

[JWBanshee]

No interview on the renewal, references yes, This is my 5th or 6th renewal. I have had my CCW since 1995, the original application seemed to take about 9 months. I was a little late on the renewal this year , but turn around was fairly quick. You still need to send all the documents as if it were a original App. Yes it is a PITA, but I feel better, legaly, going into the Belly of the beast(PG county) to do my job.
JW

 

[parbreak]

No interview on the renewal, references yes, This is my 5th or 6th renewal. I have had my CCW since 1995, the original application seemed to take about 9 months. I was a little late on the renewal this year , but turn around was fairly quick. You still need to send all the documents as if it were a original App. Yes it is a PITA, but I feel better, legaly, going into the Belly of the beast(PG county) to do my job.
JW

If you don't mind my asking, when did your's expire? Mine expires 8/31 and I sent it in in mid-March. Just wondering if they wait to the last minute to actually send out the renewal card.

 

[Abacab]

No interview on the renewal, references yes, This is my 5th or 6th renewal. I have had my CCW since 1995, the original application seemed to take about 9 months. I was a little late on the renewal this year , but turn around was fairly quick. You still need to send all the documents as if it were a original App. Yes it is a PITA, but I feel better, legaly, going into the Belly of the beast(PG county) to do my job.
JW

Have your restrictions or the way they're worded changed at all over the past 16 years?

 

[shovelheaddred]

I applied on 4/9/11 they cashed my check 3 day after they recived my app . The reason i gave for needing a CCW is the i have severe emphysema and lost 70 % of my right lung a year and a half ago now im going to lose part of my left lung in sept or aug . How am I supposed do defend myself ? My doc even wrote a letter and is one of my charicter referances . What do you think my chanses are ?

 

[Abacab]

I applied on 4/9/11 they cashed my check 3 day after they recived my app . The reason i gave for needing a CCW is the i have severe emphysema and lost 70 % of my right lung a year and a half ago now im going to lose part of my left lung in sept or aug . How am I supposed do defend myself ? My doc even wrote a letter and is one of my charicter referances . What do you think my chanses are ?

If it does not fit in the categories outlined in the application, generally speaking very low. The MSP does not consider personal ailments as good and substantial. Sorry.

 

[JWBanshee]

My CCW expired on 5/31/11, and yes the restrictions changed every renewal. They were more liberal with the republican gov and qiucker to renew as well.

 

[Docster]

End of line for me--Md permit app

Had my informal review today. Of course I still don't meet their requirements and the review was more of a 'this is why you were disapproved' type of meeting. The MSP, following Md state law, cannot grant a permit for the fear of danger or anxiety of danger, only actual danger, so without any actual attempts to rob me of my narc prescriptions, I'm SOL.

The trooper was very professional and we actually had a chat 'off the record' where I made my point that neither my military training nor his police training would ever suggest developing a self-defense strategy AFTER first being assaulted or attacked to which he could only smile, but agree or not, they are held to the current Maryland law.

I have the option for a formal review but see no sense to that other than to waste more of my time. As far as I'm concerned, I gave it a shot and perhaps contributed to the MSP's disapproval statistics, now it's time to move on to more productive things.

Any word on the SAF lawsuit?

 

[Abacab]

Had my informal review today. Of course I still don't meet their requirements and the review was more of a 'this is why you were disapproved' type of meeting. The MSP, following Md state law, cannot grant a permit for the fear of danger or anxiety of danger, only actual danger, so without any actual attempts to rob me of my narc prescriptions, I'm SOL.

The trooper was very professional and we actually had a chat 'off the record' where I made my point that neither my military training nor his police training would ever suggest developing a self-defense strategy AFTER first being assaulted or attacked to which he could only smile, but agree or not, they are held to the current Maryland law.

I have the option for a formal review but see no sense to that other than to waste more of my time. As far as I'm concerned, I gave it a shot and perhaps contributed to the MSP's disapproval statistics, now it's time to move on to more productive things.

Any word on the SAF lawsuit?

Sorry to hear about the outcome. Seems like he was just carrying out orders from the top. Did you get a sense of his personal opinion outside of that body language response?

 

[teratos]

Had my informal review today. Of course I still don't meet their requirements and the review was more of a 'this is why you were disapproved' type of meeting. The MSP, following Md state law, cannot grant a permit for the fear of danger or anxiety of danger, only actual danger, so without any actual attempts to rob me of my narc prescriptions, I'm SOL.

The trooper was very professional and we actually had a chat 'off the record' where I made my point that neither my military training nor his police training would ever suggest developing a self-defense strategy AFTER first being assaulted or attacked to which he could only smile, but agree or not, they are held to the current Maryland law.

I have the option for a formal review but see no sense to that other than to waste more of my time. As far as I'm concerned, I gave it a shot and perhaps contributed to the MSP's disapproval statistics, now it's time to move on to more productive things.

Any word on the SAF lawsuit?

That's inconsistent. I have my permit based on the fact that I have access to narcotics.

 

[2ndCharter]

The MSP, following Md state law, cannot grant a permit for the fear of danger or anxiety of danger, only actual danger, so without any actual attempts to rob me of my narc prescriptions, I'm SOL.

Exhibit #1

Md. PUBLIC SAFETY Code Ann. § 5-306
...
(ii) has good and substantial reason to wear, carry, or transport a handgun, such as a finding that the permit is necessary as a reasonable precaution against apprehended danger.

Exhibit #2:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apprehend
Apprehend: b : to anticipate especially with anxiety, dread, or fear

It would appear that the trooper needs a dictionary to understand that apprehended DOES mean fear.

DISCLAIMER: Not a lawyer, just a layman.

 

[Abacab]

That's inconsistent. I have my permit based on the fact that I have access to narcotics.

You are a MD, no? I think the OP is not.

 

[teratos]

You are a MD, no? I think the OP is not.

Oh. I didn't realize. Don't see why logically it should matter. If you have access to narcotics, you are a target. Of course this is Maryland, check you logic at the border.....

 

[Billcw]

I sent my renewel in mid march and just got it back last week grrr

 

[MDFF2008]

Hmm, sounds like we have another 14th amendment claim.

 

[montoya32]

Had my informal review today. Of course I still don't meet their requirements and the review was more of a 'this is why you were disapproved' type of meeting. The MSP, following Md state law, cannot grant a permit for the fear of danger or anxiety of danger, only actual danger, so without any actual attempts to rob me of my narc prescriptions, I'm SOL.

The trooper was very professional and we actually had a chat 'off the record' where I made my point that neither my military training nor his police training would ever suggest developing a self-defense strategy AFTER first being assaulted or attacked to which he could only smile, but agree or not, they are held to the current Maryland law.

I have the option for a formal review but see no sense to that other than to waste more of my time. As far as I'm concerned, I gave it a shot and perhaps contributed to the MSP's disapproval statistics, now it's time to move on to more productive things.

Any word on the SAF lawsuit?

So am I correct in assuming that you applied for the heck of it and didn't have any of the criteria on the app to apply under? I'm not being ignorant to your cause, just curious.