Lou's Sporting Goods --->WARNING<---

[FIREHAWK]

I have seen this a few times. The FFL gets it with the firearm, but has to keep it. Just like Atlantic Arms receives 30 and more round mags all day and sells them to people out of Maryland through the mail. They even have Beta-Mags for sell, just not to us.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory97.aspx

Maryland Criminal Law Code 4-305(b) states…
“A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that
has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm”


This section does not apply to a .22 caliber rifle with a tubular magazine

so that doesn't apply to ffl's? he would be in violation of two things.. recieving it and then offers it for sale. i read it as you can't offer it for sale from a maryland based location regardless of where actual transfer takes place but thats only because its so cut and dry then again i guess that would make some of our classified ads i mean i know the ways around our law (pa & va gunshows, shipping to out of state address) and all that but i didn't think anyone would actual ship one here, even on gunbroker people take the time to say no hi cap mag sales to md blah blah so it just strikes me odd that they actually sent a 30rnd to maryland.

 

[shadow116]

My guess is that some what like the whole NFA living trust not being a person, maybe an FFL is considered a business, not a "person" as the law states.

Crap I do not know, I am just guessing here. But Atlantic Arms does sell magazines that can hold over 30 rounds and they state the Maryland policy on their web page.

 

[novus collectus]

Maryland Criminal Law Code 4-305(b) states…
“A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that
has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm”


This section does not apply to a .22 caliber rifle with a tubular magazine

so that doesn't apply to ffl's? he would be in violation of two things.. recieving it and then offers it for sale. i read it as you can't offer it for sale from a maryland based location regardless of where actual transfer takes place but thats only because its so cut and dry then again i guess that would make some of our classified ads i mean i know the ways around our law (pa & va gunshows, shipping to out of state address) and all that but i didn't think anyone would actual ship one here, even on gunbroker people take the time to say no hi cap mag sales to md blah blah so it just strikes me odd that they actually sent a 30rnd to maryland.

There is an exception in MD code for FFLs to recieve a larger than 20 round mag for the purpose of selling it to the police, or to sell rto an FFL of another state.

 

[eddiek2000]

I've had that happen.
gun comes with a lock, but it's not good enough, has to be this special 25.00 lock that we'll sell you. and if you don't buy it... no gun.
pay no attention to the 12 of them I've got in the safe.

That sucks. My FFL lets me bring my own.

 

[INMY01TA]

I know where I won't be doing business.

 

[PTM76]

I did one transfer through him. I got a odd feeling from him. I wouldn't use him again.

 

[240 towles]

These cracks about Vietnam vets are just below the belt.

+1 show you dont have to respect the man, but you have to respect his service

 

[RCH]

I have used Lou's gunsmithing services once- I won't give him anymore business.

I had him install a Wilson's beavertail grip safety on my brand new P-13. I had spoken to Lou and he assured me that he was a professional and had installed beavertails for many customers. After a long delay and several calls, Lou said that it was ready. When I went to pick it up, I noticed several grind marks and scratches on the frame. When I pointed out the visible grind marks, Lou looked me in the eye and stated that it was a factory defect that came up when he refinished the frame. To me it was obvious that he had a few slips with the dremel tool and he had not refinished the frame, unless you call rubbing it with 80 grit sandpaper refinishing.

The end result is that Lou did not man-up and take responsibility for his mistake.

For a gunsmith, he is an amateur. If you decide to take your gun to him, make sure you take clear photos and document the condition of your firearm before you give it to him.

 

[DENWA]

WoW!

I have used Lou's gunsmithing services once- I won't give him anymore business.

I had him install a Wilson's beavertail grip safety on my brand new P-13. I had spoken to Lou and he assured me that he was a professional and had installed beavertails for many customers. After a long delay and several calls, Lou said that it was ready. When I went to pick it up, I noticed several grind marks and scratches on the frame. When I pointed out the visible grind marks, Lou looked me in the eye and stated that it was a factory defect that came up when he refinished the frame. To me it was obvious that he had a slips with the dremel tool and he had not refinished the frame, unless you call rubbing it with 80 grit sandpaper refinishing.

The end result is that Lou did not man-up and take responsibility for his mistake.

For a gunsmith, he is an amateur. If you decide to take your gun to him, make sure you take clear photos and document the condition of your firearm before you give it to him.

Enuff said!

 

[GBMaryland]

Guys,

I've only read the first page, but too be completely honest... While I've no interest in doing anything (e.g. lowering the number of dealer) that would affect our rights, having this guy out there is NOT GOOD.

It would be wise for one of the folks who have had the odd experiences to contact the firearms division of the MSP or the BATFE.

If the guy really is displaying odd behavior, or even suffering from PTSD... then he shouldn't have an FFL. (He's a danger to our rights when he looses it and does something bad...)

My 2 cents... now I'll shut up.

GB

PS (I'm assuming accurate reports by other members here...)

 

[KevinB]

I've never dealt with the guy, but from all of these descriptions, I keep picturing the Army surplus store guy in "Falling Down." "You and me, we're the same!!! We're the same!!"

 

[NitroMidgets]

How old is this guy? Is it possible that he is just getting old and a bit irrational due to becoming senile? I mean for him to be a Vietnam Vet he has to be up there in age. Add to it the bad economy and he's probably pretty stressed out. Although like what was just mentioned if he is suffering from PTSD then its a mental illness and after the Virginia Tech shooting they aren't big on people with a mental illness possessing guns. Either way the guys reaction probably warrants at least alerting somebody about his mental state. If he was having a bad day only then there is no harm done and if he really does have a problem then he is a danger to himself and others.

My own personal experience has been those that suffered the worst or have the most reason to brag are the ones who don't. Those that do the most talking are the ones that have the least to talk about.

 

[240 towles]

(If the guy really is displaying odd behavior, or even suffering from PTSD... then he shouldn't have an FFL. ...)

We need to be careful who we say can and cannot have an FFL. What is qualifying "Odd Behavior"? If the man is a certified danger to himself or others, then absolutely take it away. But you really shouldn't insult people with PTSD by taking thier firearms from them. PTSD comes in many forms. In most versions, it results to lack of sleep, irritability, fear of crowds, etc. Though these symptoms are annoying and uncomfortable, they are not dangerous. In very extreme cases of PTSD, some individuals show extreme paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, and suicidal and homicidal tendancies. People with extreme cases of PTSD need serious help from psychiatrists and generally the doctor will wiegh the risks and act accordingly. But that is for qualified doctors to assess, and its not to be taken lightly. My point is, we have enough people trying to take away our second ammendment rights, we don't need to add to them by going after people who are just having a hard time. Have you ever had a hard time? Would it have helped to take away your hard earned guns?

 

[ChannelCat]

He told one member here that he would not sell or transfer an SKS because that is what shot him, or something.

I heard the same rap from him a number of years ago, that he doesn't transfer Soviet bloc weapons. It sounded a little creepy to me (not what he said, but how he said it), so I didn't deal with him.

 

[GBMaryland]

We need to be careful who we say can and cannot have an FFL. What is qualifying "Odd Behavior"? If the man is a certified danger to himself or others, then absolutely take it away. But you really shouldn't insult people with PTSD by taking thier firearms from them. PTSD comes in many forms. In most versions, it results to lack of sleep, irritability, fear of crowds, etc. Though these symptoms are annoying and uncomfortable, they are not dangerous. In very extreme cases of PTSD, some individuals show extreme paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, and suicidal and homicidal tendancies. People with extreme cases of PTSD need serious help from psychiatrists and generally the doctor will wiegh the risks and act accordingly. But that is for qualified doctors to assess, and its not to be taken lightly. My point is, we have enough people trying to take away our second ammendment rights, we don't need to add to them by going after people who are just having a hard time. Have you ever had a hard time? Would it have helped to take away your hard earned guns?

Yes, I too have been shot at with soviet bloc weapons and even had people right next to me die.

I'm probably wired differently than others, or just extremely rational... (I've given plenty of thought over the years).

Bottom line: it's about being careful... FFL's are held to a different standard than individuals.

So what do you think the antigun nuts will do if he completely looses it?

 

[Scud]

They will probably confiscate his Kool-Aid and drink it. Maybe they will like his Kool-Aid and come to the realization that we are not all so different after all.

 

[GBMaryland]

They will probably confiscate his Kool-Aid and drink it. Maybe they will like his Kool-Aid and come to the realization that we are not all so different after all.

Bahahahahahaahahahahaha!!!!!

Awesome.

 

[45acpcuztheydontmakea46]

Lou's Sporting Goods

I have purchased all my guns from Lou's Sporting Goods, everytime I purchased a gun it was a painless and pleasant process. Lou is a genuine person, he is straight up front with you and will go out his way to assit you on purchasing the gun you really want. His shop is not like the typical gun shop, he provides attention to your needs and will guide you through the process and at the time you pick up your gun he will go over the gun with you and provide tips on maintaining it. A store front shop will not provide this type of attention and service they will give you the gun and show you the door.

Cheap shots of his character and service in Vietnam is unneccessary he honorably served this country and dealt with the crap when he and thousands of others returned from Vietnam. This is not the time!!!

If you had a bad experience with him then please express it! Don't attack him!!

I will always continue to purchase all my gun needs from him. You will never get the personalized service anywhere else.

 

[Calengor]

I have purchased all my guns from Lou's Sporting Goods, everytime I purchased a gun it was a painless and pleasant process. Lou is a genuine person, he is straight up front with you and will go out his way to assit you on purchasing the gun you really want. His shop is not like the typical gun shop, he provides attention to your needs and will guide you through the process and at the time you pick up your gun he will go over the gun with you and provide tips on maintaining it. A store front shop will not provide this type of attention and service they will give you the gun and show you the door.

Cheap shots of his character and service in Vietnam is unneccessary he honorably served this country and dealt with the crap when he and thousands of others returned from Vietnam. This is not the time!!!

If you had a bad experience with him then please express it! Don't attack him!!

I will always continue to purchase all my gun needs from him. You will never get the personalized service anywhere else.

Your first post and it's shilling for a shitty place on a post that was last active over a year ago? Sounds like you're this Lou everyone thinks is an asshat.

 

[mayor_quimby]

first post on a dead thread? welcome to the site i guess

hmmmmmmm