vz58 mags

[Rickhead]

Hey, I bought one of the vz58's from Lou and was wondering where I can get some mags. I tried the Harrisburg show but couldn't find any. Most vendors responded with "huh?" I was told by one dealer he had a bunch at a previous show but none now. Sounds like I may have a problem. Any suggestions where I could get a few or more?
Also, I usually research something before I buy but this was an impulse buy. I had heard good stuff about the vz58's and not anything bad except that mags may be somewhat difficult to find. This one looks pretty good with a nice dark finish. It's a mix of phosphate and paint. The folding stock assembly and the handguard liner are painted with the balance of the rifle phosphated. The paint easily rubs off so I may strip it and refinish with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde2. Overall it looks to be well built. I'm not a big fan of folding stocks but this one locks up solid. I found a complete fixed stock for $65 but I'm going to hold off until I find some mags. My guess is that without mags it's going to be a pretty clumsy single shot rifle.

 

[THier]

Google is your friend,,, Midway says they have them.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=184836&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Gunsmithing%20-%20Magazines%20-%20Rifle%20-%2011%2B%20Rounds-_-PriceCompListing-_-184836

Tom

 

[Rickhead]

Will they ship 30 round mags to Maryland?

 

[Markp]

Hey, I bought one of the vz58's from Lou and was wondering where I can get some mags. I tried the Harrisburg show but couldn't find any. Most vendors responded with "huh?" I was told by one dealer he had a bunch at a previous show but none now. Sounds like I may have a problem. Any suggestions where I could get a few or more?
Also, I usually research something before I buy but this was an impulse buy. I had heard good stuff about the vz58's and not anything bad except that mags may be somewhat difficult to find. This one looks pretty good with a nice dark finish. It's a mix of phosphate and paint. The folding stock assembly and the handguard liner are painted with the balance of the rifle phosphated. The paint easily rubs off so I may strip it and refinish with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde2. Overall it looks to be well built. I'm not a big fan of folding stocks but this one locks up solid. I found a complete fixed stock for $65 but I'm going to hold off until I find some mags. My guess is that without mags it's going to be a pretty clumsy single shot rifle.

Get a mailboxes etc account in PA/VA and order this...

https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/63/products_id/1462

You'll have EVERYTHING you ever need to keep that puppy running. I ordered one this summer and everything was in new condition except the barrel.

Mark

 

[Markp]

Will they ship 30 round mags to Maryland?

Some places will... DON'T DO THAT.

If you get caught you will lose your ability to own firearms. That said, copes will disassemble and ship "repair kits" to Maryland.

http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?products_id=2488
http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?products_id=2281

However I think you'd be dollars ahead getting armorer's kit. It's a great deal and won't hurt your resale value.

Mark

 

[Rickhead]

I don't want to anything that's un-lawful. I'll see if I can get some "low capacity" mags. If that fails I'll see if someone want's to take the rifle at my cost. I'll give the mag hunt a good try before I give up. Wish me luc.....,ha,ha,ha!

 

[rob-cubed]

Rebuild kits are definitely a gray area. But there's no law against having replacement parts. You just can't take ownership of, or manufacture, anything above 20 rounds while in the state. So if you had enough parts to make a magazine you'd still have to leave the state to assemble it. At that point it would be no different than "importing" one bought complete at a gun show.

Here's a link to the low-caps being offered by Czechpoint. Looks like they are out of stock at the moment. While MD's mag law is silly, I do use low-cap mags regularly for benchrest so it's good to have one or two around:
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/produ...d-double-stack-magazine-complete-refinished-/

 

[Markp]

I don't want to anything that's un-lawful. I'll see if I can get some "low capacity" mags. If that fails I'll see if someone want's to take the rifle at my cost. I'll give the mag hunt a good try before I give up. Wish me luc.....,ha,ha,ha!

I'll give you $370 for it, because I can have one delivered and transferred for that.

I love these guns... they are awesome.

Mark

 

[Rickhead]

Well it was $399 plus tax so $370 isn't so good of a deal for me. I'm sure I can get some mags to get it operational. But thanks for offering.

 

[Slimjim]

Well it was $399 plus tax so $370 isn't so good of a deal for me. I'm sure I can get some mags to get it operational. But thanks for offering.

Ill second buying the armorers kit. Their cool pieces of history, as well as a treasure trove of every small part you need.

 

[Markp]

Well it was $399 plus tax so $370 isn't so good of a deal for me. I'm sure I can get some mags to get it operational. But thanks for offering.

PM me an offer, I'll consider it.

 

[Slimjim]

Lol, the guy just bought it and you guys are already trying to buy it off him.

 

[DarthZed]

I've really been wanting to buy a VZ 58. If it accepted standard AK mags, I'd get one in a heartbeat. But I don't want to have to store yet ANOTHER type of magazine (Already dealing with AR, AK, FAL, and Saiga 12). I just don't have the room. lol (note to self, design hidden closet armory)

 

[smores]

The paint easily rubs off so I may strip it and refinish with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde2.

This stuff is ok, but not the most durable. I'd say Cerakote would be your best bet. Duracoat is decent too if applied properly.

 

[bbrown]

Duracoat is decent too if applied properly.

Duracoat probably won't hold up on a hot barrel.

Bryan

 

[DarthZed]

Duracoat makes a hi-temp paint. But with more limited color selections.

http://www.houtsenterprises.net/dur_heat.html

 

[Sev]

Rebuild kits are definitely a gray area. But there's no law against having replacement parts. You just can't take ownership of, or manufacture, anything above 20 rounds while in the state. So if you had enough parts to make a magazine you'd still have to leave the state to assemble it. At that point it would be no different than "importing" one bought complete at a gun show.

not to derail... but let me get this straight. I can go to copes, order a 30 round pmag, have them disassemble it as a "parts kit" and they can legally ship it to me in maryland? And i'm legal to have the parts in maryland so long as i dont assemble the parts in maryland?

 

[Markp]

not to derail... but let me get this straight. I can go to copes, order a 30 round pmag, have them disassemble it as a "parts kit" and they can legally ship it to me in maryland? And i'm legal to have the parts in maryland so long as i dont assemble the parts in maryland?

It's a GRAY area. They will ship the magazine parts and technically it appears legal to do so.

Here is the law:

§ 4-305. Detachable magazines - Prohibited.

(b) Prohibited.- A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm.

§ 4-306. Penalties.

(a) In general.- A person who violates this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $5,000 or both.

So you could purchase the parts, as there is no prohibition against that. A clever lawyer might still try to charge you with the intent to manufacture or receiving a magazine even though it's just parts. It has never happened that I know of, but it is theoretically possible.

You have to determine if it is worth it to do this or to just get a mailing address out of state. I went with a UPS store in VA while I was TDY this past summer in Virginia... and I ordered a shitload of magazines. This made the $20 I spent for the mailing address work out to about $0.50 a magazine and no chance of having my door kicked in for violating the law. Sleep easier and just get an out of state address and have them shipped there.

Mark

 

[Sev]

It's a GRAY area. They will ship the magazine parts and technically it appears legal to do so.

Here is the law:

§ 4-305. Detachable magazines - Prohibited.

(b) Prohibited.- A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm.

§ 4-306. Penalties.

(a) In general.- A person who violates this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $5,000 or both.

So you could purchase the parts, as there is no prohibition against that. A clever lawyer might still try to charge you with the intent to manufacture or receiving a magazine even though it's just parts. It has never happened that I know of, but it is theoretically possible.

You have to determine if it is worth it to do this or to just get a mailing address out of state. I went with a UPS store in VA while I was TDY this past summer in Virginia... and I ordered a shitload of magazines. This made the $20 I spent for the mailing address work out to about $0.50 a magazine and no chance of having my door kicked in for violating the law. Sleep easier and just get an out of state address and have them shipped there.

Mark

gotcha. Thanks for the info

 

[rob-cubed]

Again, rebuilds are a gray area. It's the current workaround in Commiefornia and CA-friendly vendors will ship them to other ban states. Unlike Maryland, in Cali you can't even own functioning hi-caps... but guys who want military-style mags will weld or rivet them to a permanent 10-round capacity to be compliant.

The MD AG has made no ruling on this specific workaround, and I'm sure if they didn't it probably wouldn't go in our favor. But it doesn't seem any different than driving to a gun show in PA/VA and bringing a bunch of mags back over the border, which everyone agrees is 100% legal.

The safest way is still an out-of-state friend who will take receipt of them.

EDIT: beat me to it Mark