krucam
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The District has filed their opposition to the Motion for Permanent Injunction.
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The District has filed their opposition to the Motion for Permanent Injunction.
He allowed the National Park Carry rider through because he wanted the credit reform bill to pass. Guess it depends on what it might be attached to.
Here's a question for the legal eagles.
If Sculin grants a permanent injunction against the new carry law, does that lift the stay on the original ban injunction?
And if DC appeals the PI, what happens to the original injunction? I know the circuit would most likely stay the PI, but what about the original injunction? Are we back to constitutional carry if the circuit grants a stay of the PI?
Esqappellate? Mark? Bueller? anyone?
If Sculin grants a permanent injunction against the new carry law, does that lift the stay on the original ban injunction?
And if DC appeals the PI, what happens to the original injunction? I know the circuit would most likely stay the PI, but what about the original injunction? Are we back to constitutional carry if the circuit grants a stay of the PI?
Esqappellate? Mark? Bueller? anyone?
The original "temporary" injunction is supposed to expire tomorrow, regardless of any outcome.
temporary stay or the injunction? So now we will just have a hearing on November 20?
And if it's enjoined and then appealed d to Circuit, and they grant a stay then we are back to the DC law being in effect?
And if it's enjoined and then appealed d to Circuit, and they grant a stay then we are back to the DC law being in effect?
Right now, it's so flubbed up. It's hard to tell which way is up.
DC is arguing that the final order has been rendered in the last filing, but it hasn't appealled. Gura & Co. are arguing the new law is the same as the old law since the final order hasn't been cut.
DC is arguing that the final order has been rendered in the last filing, but it hasn't appealled. Gura & Co. are arguing the new law is the same as the old law since the final order hasn't been cut.
Hopefully they can apply and be denied before the hearing on Nov. 20th.
I want to say the applications might be available tomorrow? Thought I recalled the 22nd being the day they're available.
krucam
Ultimate Member
Bingo. I mentioned this a couple of weeks back. The 4 Plaintiffs should have taken the required 16 hours of training (under NRA guidelines for example) and completed the required range time. Then apply on the 1st day (10/22 IIRC) of the Permit System (holding back a laugh) opening up.
Potentially great fodder for taking back to the 11/20 PI hearing.
redeemed.man
Ultimate Member
From what I read it appeared that the training could be waived by the Chief in many circumstances but specifically based on things such as other state issued carry permits. If this is the situation most of us could try to apply right away without additional training. The Chief refusing to grant any waivers for training even when the law allows it would be a clear indicator that this law is intended to be nearly "no issue".
With the caveat that the training you took for that permit equals DC's requiremnts. How many permits do you have that required live fire at 15 yards.? what permits do you hold that requires that?
She'll find every little excuse to deny us. She could even deny those of us with a DD214 since most of us didn't qualify with a handgun in basic training, let alone 50 rounds at 15 yards.
She'll find every little excuse to deny us. She could even deny those of us with a DD214 since most of us didn't qualify with a handgun in basic training, let alone 50 rounds at 15 yards.
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Hmmm....It says 50 rounds from a maximum distance of 15 yards. I have a certificate of 50 rounds from the 7 yard line from an NRA instructor, plus 1st Steps and Basic Pistol courses, plus several CCWs. Maybe I should apply.......
Nah, not yet. The plaintiffs need to do this to try to keep this going. DC's response leads me to believe they aren't appealing their total ban.
But does it require 15 yards? It's pretty specific.
I don't see them appealing the total ban either. Why bother now?. What they have now may be better. Like MD, essentially may/no issue while telling the courts "sure we issue permits."
right.
I don't see them appealing the total ban either. Why bother now?. What they have now may be better. Like MD, essentially may/no issue while telling the courts "sure we issue permits."
right.
Yea the law is vague as hell. In addition to the training (which the Chief can basically decide is good or not), there's no mention of fees or a time frame on the entire process. So someone could apply and DC sits on the application claiming the law doesn't specify the time frame. Gura may need to use the old "dog ate my homework" excuse so when he goes before Judge Scullin again he has a few denied applications in hand.
I am not clear, if you are out of state, does the gun still need to be registered in DC?
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It says maximum, that tells me 15 yards isn't exclusive. Who knows though.
The way I read it, yes. I don't see any loopholes for non-residents.
While not exclusive, it gives the Chief an excuse to deny. "You didn't shoot at 15 yards? The statute requires it sir
denied."
denied."
So can you be issued a carry permit without your gun being registered? doesn't seem so to me.
Another way for DC to slow down the process before the Nov 20 hearing.
