Trigger lock requirement

[Celtic159]

Searched but couldn't find a definitive answer.

I'm having a handgun transferred in from out of state. I filled out the paperwork this morning and was told that I had to buy a trigger lock when I picked the pistol up. I asked if I could just pick up a cable lock from MSP and bring that in and was told no.

I find it hard to believe that the law would mandate me buying a lock from an FFL when MSP hands them out for nothing. Anyone got a definitive answer?

 

[smokey]

not a trigger lock. it must be a "bore obstruction device" like an omega lock. basically in md a handgun needs to have built into it an integral lock like smith revolvers or most taurus handguns have. Technically guns that don't have locks built into them can't be sold in md. the way around that is by building a lock into them..IE chambering an omega lock or something similar. some ffl's allow you to bring in your own bore obstruction device while some require you to pay the $20 to buy one so they have a paper trail to show msp.

 

[Celtic159]

not a trigger lock. it must be a "bore obstruction device" like an omega lock. basically in md a handgun needs to have built into it an integral lock like smith revolvers or most taurus handguns have. Technically guns that don't have locks built into them can't be sold in md. the way around that is by building a lock into them..IE chambering an omega lock or something similar. some ffl's allow you to bring in your own bore obstruction device while some require you to pay the $20 to buy one so they have a paper trail to show msp.

So there's no clear-cut law in this case? I find that hard to believe in legislation-happy Maryland.

 

[Tconfo]

Just look at it as part of the transfer fee

 

[Tactics]

My buddy has a one size fits all lock that we use all the time. Seems like this is a better option other than getting a new lock for each caliber. Don't know much about it other than that he got it at Gun Runners in Frederick, and it's saved me a little loot each time.

 

[Celtic159]

Just look at it as part of the transfer fee

That's what I was thinking, it's the FFL's way of saying, "f.u., should have bought the weapon from us".

 

[Tconfo]

Any gun I buy on gunbroker, I factor in shipping and 50 bucks to cover transfer fee and gun lock. If the price of the gun in MD is still more than that with tax you still saved. Figure if you buy here, you pay that anyway in tax and the gun lock anyway. If you can find it cheaper, don't get upset about a $20 dollar gun lock. Btw you can't forget about the $10 msp app fee.

 

[BlueFin]

Just look at it as part of the transfer fee

You can re use it for your next gun purchase as long as it is the same caliber.

 

[smokey]

You can re use it for your next gun purchase as long as it is the same caliber.

IFFF that's the store policy from where you buy it from. Basspro's such a huge target for msp, that they require a lock to be sold with every gun to ensure the msp can't bitch to us about anything. protects basspro's ability to keep selling guns, but annoys customers.

 

[BlueFin]

IFFF that's the store policy from where you buy it from. Basspro's such a huge target for msp, that they require a lock to be sold with every gun to ensure the msp can't bitch to us about anything. protects basspro's ability to keep selling guns, but annoys customers.

I have purchased 3 pistols since December from the web and I was just ask to present a MD approved gun lock by the FFL. I have the Omega gun lock.

 

[Celtic159]

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

 

[smokey]

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

does that mean you must be an ffl to buy an omega lock or can you just buy your own from a friend who has an extra one for cheaper than $20. nice try by the ffl. it'd be better just to say it's store policy to protect themselves.

 

[vette97]

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

FAIL! It's not a crime to have an unlocked gun in your home. If it was, they couldn't sell used guns without the lock. Liars will never get my business. I hope you feel the same way.

 

[BlueFin]

for some of us that does not have kids, or live alone, do you really lock your guns at home? I do not mean in a gun safe or lockable cabinets.

 

[mikec]

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

That dealer needs his head checked. The way several FFL's have explained it to me, once the gun leaves the dealer's property, there is no need to ever use that lock.

Springfield Armory uses a mainspring housing with a lock, on their 1911s. It is 100% legal to replace that MSH once you get home. Now if you sell that gun, you should replace the SA MSH, so the new buyer gets a gun with the lock.

 

[YellowLT]

I think its funny my omega lock doesnt fit my FNP9.

 

[Half-cocked]

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

Stop. Right. There.

That is a load of BULL SH*T (on several levels), and if any FFL tried to feed me that, I'd turn around and never go back there again.

 

[Maryland Hunter]

IFFF that's the store policy from where you buy it from. Basspro's such a huge target for msp, that they require a lock to be sold with every gun to ensure the msp can't bitch to us about anything.

Then I will not purchase a handgun from Bass Pro. There is no law broken for the MSP to bitch about. If they're scared of liability/traceability, Bass Pro should give out the lock free with purchase then, as On Target does.

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

Since there's no law saying that the gun must be locked at home, this is ********. I'd call MSP and tell them what he told you, then I'd find another dealer.

MH

 

[Celtic159]

The story I was told this morning by the FFL was that MSP wouldn't allow me to bring in a lock because that meant I'd left a weapon unlocked at home.

does that mean you must be an ffl to buy an omega lock or can you just buy your own from a friend who has an extra one for cheaper than $20. nice try by the ffl. it'd be better just to say it's store policy to protect themselves.

FAIL! It's not a crime to have an unlocked gun in your home. If it was, they couldn't sell used guns without the lock. Liars will never get my business. I hope you feel the same way.

That dealer needs his head checked. The way several FFL's have explained it to me, once the gun leaves the dealer's property, there is no need to ever use that lock.

Springfield Armory uses a mainspring housing with a lock, on their 1911s. It is 100% legal to replace that MSH once you get home. Now if you sell that gun, you should replace the SA MSH, so the new buyer gets a gun with the lock.

Stop. Right. There.

That is a load of BULL SH*T (on several levels), and if any FFL tried to feed me that, I'd turn around and never go back there again.

Since there's no law saying that the gun must be locked at home, this is ********. I'd call MSP and tell them what he told you, then I'd find another dealer.

Unfortunately, I have to complete this transaction with this FFL. I went to the police property office in Millersville and got a cable lock from them and explained what I was told. They laughed and said that the FFL was just trying to make me buy the lock. One of the officers there gave me her card and told me to have the store call if they took issue with me bringing the lock in.

But yeah, this particular shop will never get another dime of my money.

 

[clandestine]

Unfortunately, I have to complete this transaction with this FFL. I went to the police property office in Millersville and got a cable lock from them and explained what I was told. They laughed and said that the FFL was just trying to make me buy the lock. One of the officers there gave me her card and told me to have the store call if they took issue with me bringing the lock in.

But yeah, this particular shop will never get another dime of my money.

Cable locks are NOT an "Approved Lock". You need a lock from the list.

A Maryland "Approved" Handgun Lock is basically a Handgun that has a lock BUILT INTO (Internal) the Handgun, or goes into the slide or bore.

ALL Handguns made after December 31, 2002 MUST have a built in Integral Lock (Lock Built into the Handgun), or a Maryland State Police Approved External Lock (Approved External Lock) at the time of purchase. Cable, Pad Lock, and Trigger Locks DO NOT COUNT per the Maryland State Police.

MD “Approved” Handgun Locks can be found HERE: http://www.mdsp.org/downloads/safety_devices.pdf

In case you dont want to educate yourself furthere here is the list:
Approved Integrated Mechanical Safety Devices
The Maryland Handgun Roster Board has approved the following
integrated mechanical safety devices for either factory, distributor,
importer aftermarket installation, or by licensed firearms retailers.
Installation of any of these listed devices in an approved handgun when
sold satisfies Maryland law.

Bersa Lock (Firestorm)
Bond Arms Derringer Lock (not the "Allen Key" version)
Charter 2000
Cimarron-Aldo Uberti System for SAA
Ghost,Inc. (for Glocks only)
Glock's Lock
GSI Internal Gunlock
Heckler & Koch System
Interbore Gun Lock
Omega Gunlock (for revolvers)
Omega Gunlock (for semiautomatics)
Saf-T-Trigger by Saf-T-Hammer
Sig Arms (only on model 229 at this time)
Sig Sauer Lock (for semi-automatic pistols)
Smith & Wesson Lock
Smith & Wesson Integrated Lock (for semi-automatic pistols)
Springfield Armory, Integral Locking System
Steyr Integrated Limited Access Device
Strahan Firing Pin Lock
Sturm Ruger Key Lock
Swiss Safety by Aldo Uberti
Taurus Systems (separate systems for revolvers and semi-automatics)
VisuaLock
Walther 22
Last Updated: October 10, 2006

Applicable MD Law“A regulated firearms dealer may not offer for sale or transfer any handgun manufactured on or before December 31, 2002, unless the handgun is offered for sale or transferred with an external safety lock. “
“Beginning January 1, 2003, handguns manufactured after December 31, 2002, may only be sold or transferred if they have an internal mechanical safety device."

You are NOT required to use the “Approved” Lock but it is mandated to be supplied at the time of purchase.

Before shipping a gun to a FFL it was YOUR responsibility to see what that FFL's Transfer policies were BEFORE having a firearm sent to them for transfer. There are store policies (Which are created to shield the store from trouble with the MSP), and there is MD Law which a Dealer must comply with.

You openly admit to not knowing or believing the MD Lock Law was valid, and now you want to complain for your poor planning and what some Police Officer who I guarantee cant quote the Law we are discussing told you didnt exist.


Let me repeat, if the gun was made after the date then an MD approved lock IS REQUIRED at the time of sale. If you cant verify the Date of manufacture then the Dealer will cover their butt and force a lock to leave with the gun.

You do realize the MSP does checks and audits right, but from the way you phrased ypou post, I dont think you care. You want things your way regardless of the law or if your stubborness would harm a dealers license/livelyhood.