The View is a great show

[NIK]

Working from home this past Monday and the wonderful ladies of "The View" were discussing the tragedy in CT. I was interested to see what vomit would come out of their mouths, so I kept the channel locked for a second. Of course, it turned to "The problem is GUNS!" but they had guest speaker Dr. Michael Welner, a forensic psychologist, who quickly put them in their place.

I'd hate to support ABC or the witches at The View with a link to their web page, but it is worth watching them get a smackdown from someone who knows what he's talking about. Fast forward to 19:25, just after the second commercial break. Definitely worth the watch. Below is the full episode, commercials and all..

Enjoy!
http://abc.go.com/watch/the-view/SH559080/VD55258652/the-view-1217

 

[Smagel]

Yep. However, I do disagree on a couple of his points.

I'm not sure that the mother deserves to be defended. If she had the guns properly secured and he got them by force, then yeah. If she was not responsible and allowed him access, then no. In that case, she shares a lot of the responsibility.

His rant on video games just does not ring true. I'm no professor, and don't have data but I have played violent video games and know enough other people my age and my sons' ages who play these games and none are dangerous in any way. Game violence may contribute to someone who is leaning that direction, but the games in themselves do not cause violent behavior.

Otherwise, it's a good listen.

 

[august1410]

Welner was on Good Morning America earlier that morning. It was quite odd hearing logic and watching an invited guest turn the tables on the interviewer.

 

[K31]

Welner was on Good Morning America earlier that morning. It was quite odd hearing logic and watching an invited guest turn the tables on the interviewer.

Be sure he won't be invited back.

 

[august1410]

Be sure he won't be invited back.

I believe you are probably correct.

 

[FrankOceanXray]

I thought they would pre-screen to avoid a guest going against their desires.

He certainly wont be back now. They will find someone more in line, groupthink worthy.

 

[K31]

I thought they would pre-screen to avoid a guest going against their desires.

He was against bon-bons and ho-hos?

 

[squirrels]

The View is a great show

 

[2nd=Good+Substantial]

I liked Whoopi Goldberg's body language. I guess she still feels it's OK for her to have her gun(s) and CCW but everyone else needs to be have their gun rights restricted.

 

[Bigfoot21075]

I used to agree with your point on video games. Now, I am not so sure. They are SO REALISTIC and absolutly brutal that I think they do desensitize people to violence. Especially when they are played for such insainly long periods of time. Add to that a preexisitng mental illness....

Yep. However, I do disagree on a couple of his points.

I'm not sure that the mother deserves to be defended. If she had the guns properly secured and he got them by force, then yeah. If she was not responsible and allowed him access, then no. In that case, she shares a lot of the responsibility.

His rant on video games just does not ring true. I'm no professor, and don't have data but I have played violent video games and know enough other people my age and my sons' ages who play these games and none are dangerous in any way. Game violence may contribute to someone who is leaning that direction, but the games in themselves do not cause violent behavior.

Otherwise, it's a good listen.

 

[BenL]

Winner.

100000 internet points to you, sir.

 

[jonnyl]

Welner was on Good Morning America earlier that morning. It was quite odd hearing logic and watching an invited guest turn the tables on the interviewer.

I saw that too, unfortunately just when he started getting to the points one what could be done they ran out of time.... (edit: it didn't seem that they cut him off abruptly, and George S did seem to be listening... )

There was another expert they interviewed at the scene in CT over the weekend who also said he didn't think gun control was the answer.

 

[FrankOceanXray]

He was against bon-bons and ho-hos?

Desires not breakfasts.

 

[rob-cubed]

At the root of all this is a mentally unbalanced boy. Playing FPS video games or listening to rap music glorifying thug life won't make a rational person go on a killing spree in real world.

But I do think there needs to be some discussion of why we in the US have more issues with gun violence than other equally armed countries like Switzerland.

 

[Mr H]

I'm not sure that the mother deserves to be defended. If she had the guns properly secured and he got them by force, then yeah. If she was not responsible and allowed him access, then no. In that case, she shares a lot of the responsibility.

This is one of two big questions outstanding, at this point.

Assuming they were locked up and he broke them out, I'm guessing we'll be forever getting that information. The push from the beginning seems to be to blame her.

I'm trying to be objective on this... but I have doubts that CSP and the media will.

 

[Vince55]

I used to agree with your point on video games. Now, I am not so sure. They are SO REALISTIC and absolutly brutal that I think they do desensitize people to violence. Especially when they are played for such insainly long periods of time. Add to that a preexisitng mental illness....

I like my shootemup's, but you don't see me out shooting people.

 

[Streetgang]

I used to agree with your point on video games. Now, I am not so sure. They are SO REALISTIC and absolutly brutal that I think they do desensitize people to violence. Especially when they are played for such insainly long periods of time. Add to that a preexisitng mental illness....

I like my shootemup's, but you don't see me out shooting people.

I agree with you Vince, but Smokey's point is valid. My son plays video games as well but I'm sure he won't go to the local school and lose his mind. The evidence is that this kid and some of the more recent mass shooter types are mentally unstable as well. You combine the two and these types sometimes can't separate reality from fantasy. Again, not everyone who is mentally handicapped is going to go out and commit mass murder nor is everyone who plays first person games like Call of Duty, SOCOM, Gears of War etc, nor is everyone who is mentally unstable who plays these types of games. BUT with the right conditions it can and has happened.

It's like making a bomb. All the individual components separately are relatively harmless. Mix them at the right proportions and put them in the right conditions, add a spark and BOOM!

 

[atblis]

But I do think there needs to be some discussion of why we in the US have more issues with gun violence than other equally armed countries like Switzerland.

There's almost no point in comparing Switzerland to the US. The US will never be like Switzerland (nor do I want it to be).

 

[SCARCQB]

Finally.. someone talking sense.

I just love the faces to the libtards when they get pawned on national TV. Classic.

 

[EL1227]

At the root of all this is a mentally unbalanced boy. Playing FPS video games or listening to rap music glorifying thug life won't make a rational person go on a killing spree in real world.

But I do think there needs to be some discussion of why we in the US have more issues with gun violence than other equally armed countries like Switzerland.

Equally armed ? How so ?

Switzerland had a population of 7.8 million as of 2010
United States had a population of 308.7 million as of 2010

While the estimates of U.S. gun ownership varies from 47% and upwards, considering the extreme difference in population (.025% of the US), it's hardly an apples-to-apples statitical comparison even IF there is an equal amount of gun ownership on a per person basis.