Sorry to Ask Again but FREAKING out

[Threeband]

Deja Vu, all over again
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=121820

Did anybody pick up on this? The OP has been obsessing about this since June of 2013.

 

[Blacksmith101]

But in June of 2013 he was worried about it being larger than a 20 round magazine and now he is worried because it is larger than a 10 round magazine. I guess that makes it twice as bad now.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

And here I was, just hoping for some decent pizza at home. I get b****ed at for "dissecting" my lasagna, when I eat it. Yea the wifey is part Italian. She wants me to meet her family up in Jersey. I told her if they come to MD, I'll meet them, but there is no way in hell, that I'll willingly go into Jersey.

 

[Threeband]

But in June of 2013 he was worried about it being larger than a 20 round magazine and now he is worried because it is larger than a 10 round magazine. I guess that makes it twice as bad now.

Six years on the chain gang, instead of three.

... She wants me to meet her family up in Jersey. I told her if they come to MD, I'll meet them, but there is no way in hell, that I'll willingly go into Jersey.

A man's got to know where to draw the Line.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

All that applies to "in the state of Maryland" So if you were not in the state of MD when the Magazine was transferred to you then you are fine. Then everything is ok because the one word that is lacking from that line is possession. which means that you can possess a magazine > 10 in MD.

I would challenge you to reconsider this line of thinking to that being the only reasonable part of MD firearm laws?

 

[casualmadness]

The fact that this thread has gone on for eight pages is a perfect example of why gun owners need to avoid Maryland if at all possible.

Glad I'm in Manassas looking at houses today.

 

[GBMaryland]

NO problem going out of state, buying, and bringing back in again.

Prior to SB281, you went to get 30 rounders as you couldn't get > 20 rounders in state. Now it's the same except you can't get > 10 rounders.

I type amazingly slowly.

While I don't disagree with any of you guys, I thought the MSP was telling dealers that they could not knowingly send a magazine to another FFL in another State where you can legally pick them up / own them?

I had an FFL tell me that the MSP warned them not to do that. (I'd like to keep that FFL's name to myself...)

On another note:

Transfer.... Does transfer mean permanent or temporary (you hand a >10 round mag to someone at the range to use under your supervision) ... or both?

 

[Pinecone]

While I don't disagree with any of you guys, I thought the MSP was telling dealers that they could not knowingly send a magazine to another FFL in another State where you can legally pick them up / own them?

I had an FFL tell me that the MSP warned them not to do that. (I'd like to keep that FFL's name to myself...)

On another note:

Transfer.... Does transfer mean permanent or temporary (you hand a >10 round mag to someone at the range to use under your supervision) ... or both?

If you pay the dealer for the magazine here, and they ship it out of state, the PURCHASE occurred in MD (illegal) but the TRANSFER occurred out of state (legal).

If there was no PURCHASE of the magazine, I can't see where this would be illegal.

If you are paranoid or just VERY careful, have the FFL send it to a friend. Just give it to your out of state friend, NOT for your friend to receive FOR you.

Also, MSP has told people things that are not exactly what the law says.

 

[Whiskey]

While I don't disagree with any of you guys, I thought the MSP was telling dealers that they could not knowingly send a magazine to another FFL in another State where you can legally pick them up / own them?

I had an FFL tell me that the MSP warned them not to do that. (I'd like to keep that FFL's name to myself...)

On another note:

Transfer.... Does transfer mean permanent or temporary (you hand a >10 round mag to someone at the range to use under your supervision) ... or both?

I asked for clarification of the term transfer and the term rent as it is defined in SB281. The AG office, through Senator Reilly's office (I'm Paraphrasing) defined transfer as a permanent exchange (goods for $) and rent as the temporary transfer of a firearm for use in a manner not otherwise prescribed (use off site and without supervision). Does not cover renting a gun at a range for use on premises, or for the specific reason I asked, permitting a student to use my handgun for HQL live fire qualification or for Simunition training at my facility; rather renting a gun to take with you for your weekend shoot (I don't know who does that?). Temporary exchange of a magazine in exchange for a handshake and a smile for use at that time and place does not meet that AG definition of transfer.

Transfer takes place, where it happens. Maryland cannot regulate your conduct in Virginia (PA, WV, etc.) possession and transportation are not mentioned in the law or regulation.

Besides, aren't there people committing actual crimes that these people should be pursuing?

 

[Amf_otb]

If you pay the dealer for the magazine here, and they ship it out of state, the PURCHASE occurred in MD (illegal) but the TRANSFER occurred out of state (legal).

If there was no PURCHASE of the magazine, I can't see where this would be illegal.

If you are paranoid or just VERY careful, have the FFL send it to a friend. Just give it to your out of state friend, NOT for your friend to receive FOR you.

Also, MSP has told people things that are not exactly what the law says.

With the key word being "purchase" what is the legality of legitimately giving them away to an instate resident?


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[Pinecone]

Transfer is also illegal.

So cannot even give away IN MD.

 

[esqappellate]

You're fine. Legal to posses, legal to buy out of state and bring back.

Have a beer and smile

I never give legal advice on these forma, but if I did I would wholeheartedly agree: It is quite legal to buy a 30 round mag out of MD and bring it back to the MD. Thus, far, the writ of the MD legislature does not extend to transfers taking place outside of MD and SB 281 did not purport to ban possession in MD or transport into MD.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Thus, far, the writ of the MD legislature does not extend to transfers taking place outside of MD and SB 281 did not purport to ban possession in MD or transport into MD.

Thus far. Fedgov set some dangerous precedents around prosecuting people for things done in other jurisdictions. I can't imagine Maryland, California, New Jersey, and one or two others not trying it at some point.

And at the rate the courts move, you'll sit in prison for half a dozen years waiting to see whether it sticks.

 

[jkeys]

Transfer is also illegal.

So cannot even give away IN MD.

Don't throw them in the trash either, that would be transferring them to the garbage man.

 

[Brooklyn]

Thus far. Fedgov set some dangerous precedents around prosecuting people for things done in other jurisdictions. I can't imagine Maryland, California, New Jersey, and one or two others not trying it at some point.

And at the rate the courts move, you'll sit in prison for half a dozen years waiting to see whether it sticks.

Cite them please.

 

[JamesH]

Transfer.... Does transfer mean permanent or temporary (you hand a >10 round mag to someone at the range to use under your supervision) ... or both?

Transfer was decided by the courts to mean permanently, not a temporary loan.

Considering that I've had multiple FFLs rent me a gun (for use on-premises) with a 17-round magazine, I certainly hope it's legal!