Mr H
Unincited Co-Conservative
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"Zero" getting shot down (politically, of course...) and crashing to his doom???
So after the election where do you think our 2A rights stand?
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"Zero" getting shot down (politically, of course...) and crashing to his doom???
No, that's where I think our 2A rights stand at this point.
Either Obobo starts hitting us with executive orders or puts up a couple SC judges, either way, we'll be like UK or Austrailia within 5 years.
Mr H
Unincited Co-Conservative
No, that's where I think our 2A rights stand at this point.
Either Obobo starts hitting us with executive orders or puts up a couple SC judges, either way, we'll be like UK or Austrailia within 5 years.
Yeah... but I couldn't pass up the symbolism!!!!
Yes
What I worry about is the final 2 years. There will be an election in 2014. If the Dems pick up big during that election, we are in real danger.
And that's how I expect it to go. Obama will try to get the House to appear out of touch and obstructionist in the hopes of them loosing the House.
Then in his final 2 years, he can make the assault on gun rights full on.
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bbguns
Defend the Constitution
BHO wants a new 'assault weapons' ban...he said it in 2008, kept quiet for a while, and said it again in the 2nd debate. No, the House won't pass it this session...but whenever he doesn't get his way, he issues an executive order circumventing the checks/balances that were placed in the Constitution (which may be on life support soon). He could fairly easily get a de facto ban by many means...import/export restrictions, 'fees', EPA regulations...and a few others that I'm sure some Brady folks have thought of...all of which create an effective ban without needing to pass a pesky law.
I can't say for sure what he'll actually do but I am certain that our 2A rights are in much greater jeopardy now that he's got a second term...
I can't say for sure what he'll actually do but I am certain that our 2A rights are in much greater jeopardy now that he's got a second term...
Knuckle66
One of the 365
screwed plain and simple. To quote someone in here "elections have consequences"
- Aug 9, 2012
- 99
Does the Navy Scuttle a ship when a Captain leaves or retires from the boat? No, they simply put a new Captain in place and throw on a fresh coat of paint. Just because Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election doesn't mean he will run the country into the ground. Voters would change parties if he does some outlandish things. If you step on the tail of a dog, some will yelp, others will turn and bite you.
Knuckle66
One of the 365
I don't believe Dems will ever leave his side. If he decided to run for a 3rd term they'd let him.
- Aug 9, 2012
- 99
I think he will push some envelopes and after his term will be the supporter of his predecessor like Bill Clinton was for him. Dems will have a strong grip and we will do what we can to break their grip.
RustyGunner
Member
- Sep 12, 2012
- 73
He can't. It's illegal. He can't change that without a Constitutional amendment. He barely even got elected.
oldman12
Ultimate Member
Thats what his new appointee's will do for the king.Welcome to the USSA.
- Feb 27, 2012
- 322
Dear doom and gloom proponents:
Lighten up will ya?
Three things are evident to anyone who looks into the issue.
The first is that politicians of both stripes, conservative and liberal, respond to their constituents first and foremost.
The second is that there is a ground swell of individuals discovering how much fun firearms can be. Range memberships are up across the country, many states are shall issue, and gun ownership is no longer perceived to be exclusively the realm of the right-wing nut job, anti-government anarchist. Ammo prices are up because of higher demand, and it's not just because of prepper hoarding.
The third is that a number of states have liberalized their carry laws. This means there is now legal and political precedent that make change in other states more likely.
In other words, even if legal avenues in MD aren't successful, the more folks who learn to enjoy shooting, the more politicians will have to bow to those of their constituents who want reasonable gun laws. (And no, I don't mean full automatics for everyone, I mean reasonable as in allowing semi-auto weapons for hunting and sport, reasonable carry laws, etc.)
So if you really want to help the cause, take a friend out to shoot who's never been. Preferably a liberal friend. (Oh, wait...)
Lighten up will ya?
Three things are evident to anyone who looks into the issue.
The first is that politicians of both stripes, conservative and liberal, respond to their constituents first and foremost.
The second is that there is a ground swell of individuals discovering how much fun firearms can be. Range memberships are up across the country, many states are shall issue, and gun ownership is no longer perceived to be exclusively the realm of the right-wing nut job, anti-government anarchist. Ammo prices are up because of higher demand, and it's not just because of prepper hoarding.
The third is that a number of states have liberalized their carry laws. This means there is now legal and political precedent that make change in other states more likely.
In other words, even if legal avenues in MD aren't successful, the more folks who learn to enjoy shooting, the more politicians will have to bow to those of their constituents who want reasonable gun laws. (And no, I don't mean full automatics for everyone, I mean reasonable as in allowing semi-auto weapons for hunting and sport, reasonable carry laws, etc.)
So if you really want to help the cause, take a friend out to shoot who's never been. Preferably a liberal friend. (Oh, wait...)
Knuckle66
One of the 365
He got 303 electoral votes, that's not barely getting elected that's a landslide. If he wins the house they could try to amend the constitution.
I'm not saying that they would or even would try. I'm just using that a an anlogy that they won't leave him no matter what.
RustyGunner
Member
- Sep 12, 2012
- 73
That's electoral numbercrunching. Look at the margins in the swing states. Also look at the rules for amendments. It's a great deal more involved than simply passing legislation.
eyesinpines
Active Member
- Mar 4, 2011
- 257
Are you kidding? Christy???
After watching him fawn all over Obama at the worst possible time [when he really didn't need to] and all but helping him over the finish line, I as a conservative wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.
I would think that there's enough right wing folks that think like me that his White House aspirations are dead...at least I sure hope so. He's got a big mouth that he opened much wider than was needed. A POX on him and his house!
I respect that he has a job to do in NJ, but the "endorsement" was ill advised and untimely.
Knuckle66
One of the 365
You're not understanding what I'm saying. I was using it as an analogy. I wasn't saying that it could actually happen.
I know takes a whole bunch of stuff to happen correctly to add/change an amendment.
There you go, the voice of reason. There is no place for that here.
There is no desire amongst the dems to start a war with the republicans over gun rights.
Union members brought in Ohio for Obama and 53% of those that voted for him are gun owners. Too big a constituency to offend. There are far fewer anti gun voters (and most of them are in deep blue states) to worry about. They will b*tch and moan about how Obama hasn't dealt with their lame control agenda then vote for him anyway).
The UN? Mostly a red herring. Nothing they do will affect us in this country for hte most part (well, we might see more parts kits imported and surplus ammo could be harder to find, but I don't think there is much of that left out there). Congress has to approve any treaty with a super majority and that won't happen
QuebecoisWolf
Ultimate Member
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
My guess is aside from the SCOTUS Justices, the answer is "minimal." Some red tape, possibly internet reporting of large ammo sales. We are also going to be our own worst enemy. Obama probably won't put a tax on ammo, but the forces of supply and demand will drive up prices. There probably won't be an assault weapons ban, but we'll be snatching them up so fast that the effect on supply and price is about the same.
However, history is marked by those one in a million chances and unforeseen events. It's possible, at least in theory, that the Gun Control Lobby could make a huge resurgence. Martin O'Malley or Mike Busch could accidentally discover this forum and launch a huge crusade against the evils of Maryland's far right fringe gun owners (and yesterday proved that Maryland Dems always get what they want).
The bottom line is that we don't really don't what's going to happen in the next four years.
My guess is aside from the SCOTUS Justices, the answer is "minimal." Some red tape, possibly internet reporting of large ammo sales. We are also going to be our own worst enemy. Obama probably won't put a tax on ammo, but the forces of supply and demand will drive up prices. There probably won't be an assault weapons ban, but we'll be snatching them up so fast that the effect on supply and price is about the same.
However, history is marked by those one in a million chances and unforeseen events. It's possible, at least in theory, that the Gun Control Lobby could make a huge resurgence. Martin O'Malley or Mike Busch could accidentally discover this forum and launch a huge crusade against the evils of Maryland's far right fringe gun owners (and yesterday proved that Maryland Dems always get what they want).
The bottom line is that we don't really don't what's going to happen in the next four years.
- Nov 14, 2010
- 20,274
Dream on ...
The 2012 electorate was bought and paid for, and they will continue to get more freebies to do Obamarx's bidding. I see more and more entitlement 'D's joining the ranks of the unemployed, and gov'mnt and union payrolls with their hands out in exchange for their vote.
Be prepared for The HildeBeast or Moron Owe'Malley or both in 2016. Without some major shakeout we will be Greece in 8 years or less. And, with any luck, I'll be dead and buried by then, so make sure that they place me face down so the progressive liberals in the PRofMD can ...
