Shall Issue referendum

[longgunnewb]

Has this been attempted yet? I know on this site alone we have enough signatures to get on the ballot.

 

[eruby]

I'll start. In Maryland, that referendum would be doomed to failure.

And I don't want the great unwashed voting on a g-d given right.

 

[PJDiesel]

Touchy subject. Seemed to be a 70/30 (or so) split with 70% thinking it is a bad idea to put core 2A rights up for a popular vote,.... in this State anyway.

Bet it wouldn't get the sigs needed, I have mixed feelings on it.

 

[smokey]

Guess who gets to come up with the wording for it.

 

[jonnyl]

Referendum seems to me to be conceding that armed self defense outside the home isn't a core right for everyone, but is up for a popular vote.

How would it seem if next year the libs put up a referendum that said conservative groups couldn't assemble in public? Or a search warrant isn't needed for known gun owners since they're clearly dangerous.

 

[Gryphon]

I wouldn't sign a petition for a referendum. That would be the first step toward allowing a popular vote on a fundamental, Constitutionally protected (ha!), civil right. We already have the right, we just need to be liberated from the infringement, and I don't trust the 21st century Maryland voters any more than the legislators they consistently vote into office. You don't need a crystal ball to know how it would turn out. If the grabbers and antis want to change the Constitution let them sign their own damn referendum - good luck with that. There is hope for us in Maryland ironically via Drake, Peruta, or whatever the next case may be and I'll be a little more patient.

 

[sgt23preston]

Has this been attempted yet? I know on this site alone we have enough signatures to get on the ballot.

Well let me see...

We live in the most socialist state east of Kalifornia...

Democrats win all the elections...

Gun owners are viewed as Red Neck Hillbillies by the populace...

So why wouldn't a referendum work here, hmm..?

 

[Mr H]

"Shall Issue" doesn't require a public referendum.

Not even getting into the Constitutional hysteria and trouble it will cause...

All it would take to make MD "Shall Issue" is one letter from the Governor to the Secretary of State Police, indicating that "self defense" is now to be considered G&S

No need to overcomplicate this. Get people involved in the elections, then we have a chance.

 

[Straightshooter]

MD law doesn't allow the introduction of law through referendum.
There will be something coming out real soon from the Craig campaign concerning how he will be handling the G&S requirement. Stay tuned for the rest of the story.

 

[abean4187]

This would never pass in MD and due to that reason alone, I would never sign a petition for it.

 

[AntiGun]

All it would take to make MD "Shall Issue" is one letter from the Governor to the Secretary of State Police, indicating that "self defense" is now to be considered G&S

There will be something coming out real soon from the Craig campaign concerning how he will be handling the G&S requirement. Stay tuned for the rest of the story.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3133581&postcount=37

I'm sure you've told him what it will take but I will reiterate it here. Unless he makes the statement, I have no motivation to undo the alienation he has created with so many.

The ball is in his court.

 

[Straightshooter]

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3133581&postcount=37

I'm sure you've told him what it will take but I will reiterate it here. Unless he makes the statement, I have no motivation to undo the alienation he has created with so many.

The ball is in his court.

The ball is being played. Be patient Grasshopper.

 

[CrazySanMan]

"Shall Issue" doesn't require a public referendum.

Not even getting into the Constitutional hysteria and trouble it will cause...

All it would take to make MD "Shall Issue" is one letter from the Governor to the Secretary of State Police, indicating that "self defense" is now to be considered G&S

No need to overcomplicate this. Get people involved in the elections, then we have a chance.

THIS.

Get Craig elected governor and we will be effectively Shall Issue.

 

[DC-W]

If you support referendums on constitutionally protected rights, expect NRA agents at your door

 

[Mr H]

smooth.....

 

[danb]

I think this has been discussed ad-nauseum. Think about it: If we cannot even get a pro-gun legislature, the referendum is doomed. To win such a thing, you have to win by a vast margin outside central maryland, win in Balt County, Anne Arundel, win or tie in Howard County, and not lose too badly in MoCo, Prince Georges, and Baltimore City.

MoCo, Prince Georges, and Bal City determine the outcome of any popular vote. If the referendum were to garner less than 40% of the vote in those three counties, it would probably be doomed.

 

[teratos]

"Shall Issue" doesn't require a public referendum.

Not even getting into the Constitutional hysteria and trouble it will cause...

All it would take to make MD "Shall Issue" is one letter from the Governor to the Secretary of State Police, indicating that "self defense" is now to be considered G&S

No need to overcomplicate this. Get people involved in the elections, then we have a chance.

I STILL don't like that. It continues to suggest that you need a reason. As Judge Legg said, the existence of the Right is the only reason you need.

THIS.

Get Craig elected governor and we will be effectively Shall Issue.

Hogan will do the same.

 

[Mr H]

I STILL don't like that. It continues to suggest that you need a reason. As Judge Legg said, the existence of the Right is the only reason you need.

I don't like it either. But, the reality is that it is within current law to do it this way, and requires the minimum input from anyone.

Why change out the whole car (even with its other 'issues'), just because one taillight is out? You can deal with the rest of the car in due time.

 

[dblas]

MD law doesn't allow the introduction of law through referendum.
There will be something coming out real soon from the Craig campaign concerning how he will be handling the G&S requirement. Stay tuned for the rest of the story.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3133581&postcount=37

I'm sure you've told him what it will take but I will reiterate it here. Unless he makes the statement, I have no motivation to undo the alienation he has created with so many.

The ball is in his court.

The ball is being played. Be patient Grasshopper.

THIS.

Get Craig elected governor and we will be effectively Shall Issue.

Hogan has said he will do the same. (I see Doc beat me to it).

 

[frogman68]

Referendum seems to me to be conceding that armed self defense outside the home isn't a core right for everyone, but is up for a popular vote.

How would it seem if next year the libs put up a referendum that said conservative groups couldn't assemble in public? Or a search warrant isn't needed for known gun owners since they're clearly dangerous.

I wouldn't sign a petition for a referendum. That would be the first step toward allowing a popular vote on a fundamental, Constitutionally protected (ha!), civil right. We already have the right, we just need to be liberated from the infringement, and I don't trust the 21st century Maryland voters any more than the legislators they consistently vote into office. You don't need a crystal ball to know how it would turn out. If the grabbers and antis want to change the Constitution let them sign their own damn referendum - good luck with that. There is hope for us in Maryland ironically via Drake, Peruta, or whatever the next case may be and I'll be a little more patient.

"Shall Issue" doesn't require a public referendum.

Not even getting into the Constitutional hysteria and trouble it will cause...

All it would take to make MD "Shall Issue" is one letter from the Governor to the Secretary of State Police, indicating that "self defense" is now to be considered G&S

No need to overcomplicate this. Get people involved in the elections, then we have a chance.

You do know your rights have been infringed by popular vote. Toeing the line that MSI and the NRA says will get you no where. Any fight we can bring them we should

THIS.

Get Craig elected governor and we will be effectively Shall Issue.

I think this has been discussed ad-nauseum. Think about it: If we cannot even get a pro-gun legislature, the referendum is doomed. To win such a thing, you have to win by a vast margin outside central maryland, win in Balt County, Anne Arundel, win or tie in Howard County, and not lose too badly in MoCo, Prince Georges, and Baltimore City.

MoCo, Prince Georges, and Bal City determine the outcome of any popular vote. If the referendum were to garner less than 40% of the vote in those three counties, it would probably be doomed.

The referundum had a better chance then Craig ( or any Rebuplican ) getting elected Governor