SB281 Guns FAQ

[TheGoodSoldier]

This is a pretty nice FAQ list, helped clear up a few things I had floating around my head, thanks!

 

[budman93]

Most of the laws address detachable magazines outside of the grip. Nothing is bein addressed with handguns with the exception of possibly threaded barrels. The real problem will be buying a handgun that has a magazine > 10 rounds.

Are you saying that if the particular handgun can accept mags > 10 it will be a problem or if it comes with one? If the latter was the problem couldn't you just buy the gun without mags and then get your own out of state?

 

[janxster]

Really nice FAQ. Clears up most of the questions I have.
Will still be able to buy banned guns and stripped lowers until oct?

If so , I guess we will see the demand for banned guns and ammo continue until at least October.

 

[hdatontodo]

Are you saying that if the particular handgun can accept mags > 10 it will be a problem or if it comes with one? If the latter was the problem couldn't you just buy the gun without mags and then get your own out of state?

AFAIK the handgun w/o threaded barrel is not banned, the magazine is. It would be treated like 30 round AR mags. You can own but can't buy or sell here.

 

[Pinecone]

It's defined in the bill as something that hides or reduces the flash. I really don't think this is ambiguous.

I have updated the FAQ with commentary about the transport issue (which isn't).

The point is, they don't really reduce the flash.

So would it require night firing to prove that it is a "flash suppressor?" And what is the level of reduction that is needed?

Most of the people making these laws think that "flash suppressors" eliminate the flash. Which they do not.

 

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

Ok here is a question we are not sure of does 281 forbid manufacturers from Building AK & AR15 rifles in Maryland ? We are a warehouse and ship all of our items,, some in MD but we do service all other states will we be forced to shut our doors because of the new regulations or did they provide provisions for sales shipped outside of MD ? What provisions did they write in for Beretta ?

 

[sailskidrive]

What a group of freaking idiots in Annapolis. They are so pompous and ignorant that they can't even produce an intelligible Bill.

The Attorney Generals Office better get their butts in gear and publish clear, coherent guidance if this passes. What I find infuriating is that the Bill has zero focus on the existing criminal element but does plenty to excercise us law abiding, tax paying citizens.

The Maryland State Police can't even keep up with gun sales, how on Earth are they going to administer this train wreck which will be several orders of magnitude of additional bureaucracy?

 

[erwos]

Ok here is a question we are not sure of does 281 forbid manufacturers from Building AK & AR15 rifles in Maryland ? We are a warehouse and ship all of our items,, some in MD but we do service all other states will we be forced to shut our doors because of the new regulations or did they provide provisions for sales shipped outside of MD ? What provisions did they write in for Beretta ?

It looked to me like if you get your FFL07, you'll be golden. This isn't free, especially with the ITAR fees, but that was how it looked to me.

 

[erwos]

The point is, they don't really reduce the flash.

So would it require night firing to prove that it is a "flash suppressor?" And what is the level of reduction that is needed?

The level of reduction that meets the law's standard is "any". I doubt there's a mechanism for proving this beforehand. More likely, it'll be like in Cali, where everyone covers their ass by getting one that just flat-out can't do it.

 

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

ewros do you know where in the bill it says that manufacturers are exempt / I know they had an original amendment for dealers but it looks like it got struck out ?

 

[hdatontodo]

ewros do you know where in the bill it says that manufacturers are exempt / I know they had an original amendment for dealers but it looks like it got struck out ?

It seems that Engage and Beretta both made verbal remarks regarding the criminal penalties for dealers (which they are registered as in MD) for paperwork errors. If you have not called your Delegate, now is the time.

SB281

The Secretary shall suspend a dealer’s license if the licensee
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(3) IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RECORD KEEPING AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF § 5–145 OF THIS SUBTITLE.
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5-145
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FOR A SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE, A PERSON WHO 30 KNOWINGLY VIOLATES THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR AND IS SUBJECT TO IMPRISONMENT NOT EXCEEDING 3 YEARS OR A FINE NOT EXCEEDING $10,000 OR BOTH.

 

[Mooseman]

erwos, thanks for this thread and the answer to my question.

 

[erwos]

ewros do you know where in the bill it says that manufacturers are exempt / I know they had an original amendment for dealers but it looks like it got struck out ?

There's an explicit exemption for licensed manufacturers and dealers that I think would work for you guys.

This subtitle does not apply to:
(3) POSSESSION, MANUFACTURE, RECEIPT FOR MANUFACTURE, SHIPMENT FOR MANUFACTURE, purchases, sales, and transport to or by a licensed firearms dealer or manufacturer who is:
(ii)
acting to sell or transfer an assault WEAPON or detachable magazine to a licensed firearm dealer in another state;
OR
(III) ACTING TO RETURN TO A CUSTOMER IN ANOTHER STATE AN ASSAULT WEAPON TRANSFERRED TO THE LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER OR MANUFACTURER UNDER THE TERMS OF A WARRANTY OR FOR REPAIR;

The penalties for dealers who make mistakes in their record-keeping are somewhat over-the-top, but that's a different problem.

 

[Mike G]

There's an explicit exemption for licensed manufacturers and dealers that I think would work for you guys.


The penalties for dealers who make mistakes in their record-keeping are somewhat over-the-top, but that's a different problem.

They are insane.

I still am not sure I understand what happens to anyone with lowers that are not built up... and if you have a lower, can you change it up?

I know this is what they want, but I am ready to move out of state.

 

[beafly.cakes]

Would be a more compelling read if you linked to the source text inside the bill. As it stands the FAQ reads like your interpretation of it, which may or may not be accurate.

 

[erwos]

Would be a more compelling read if you linked to the source text inside the bill. As it stands the FAQ reads like your interpretation of it, which may or may not be accurate.

FOAD. I'm doing this for free. If you want a properly-sourced document, I'll give you a Paypal link to comp me for my time, which is not as cheap as you may suspect.

 

[Pinecone]

How about the 90s "thumbhole" stocks. That removes the "pistol grip."

I recall the ones for FALs and even AR type fire arms. They just put a thin strap from the pistol grip to the stock.

 

[erwos]

How about the 90s "thumbhole" stocks. That removes the "pistol grip."

I recall the ones for FALs and even AR type fire arms. They just put a thin strap from the pistol grip to the stock.

They're not going to be as helpful given that the "named list" of assault long guns includes copies. Mind you, there's always the chance that the MSP will do another "bulletin 96-1" and tell us that, contrary to all evidence, compliant guns are not considered clones of guns on the assault long guns list. *shrugs*

 

[esqappellate]

erwos: Your FAQ is spot on. Nice job. Thanks There is a slight ambiguity about the capacity to accept a magazine outside the pistol grip as a banned feature. That could be read as a capacity to accept a mag. that extends outside the pistol grip, e.g., a large mag. I construe to mean the capacity to accept any magazine *other than* in the pistol grip. The former interpretation would effectively ban all semi auto pistols. The Feiinstein billl has clarifying language on this, SB 281 and HB 294 do not. The Feinstein billl defines it as :
iv) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

I think that was the intent of SB 281, but these guys in MD are sloppy draftsmen.

 

[crowleycr]

First i don't understand how they are going to enforce these measures. They don't have the manpower and there are no records.
Second, I don't see how firms like Beretta will be able to stay in business here unless they leave the state. If it was my business and it depended on out of state sales, I wouldn't worry about how to comply and remain here. When MD State is embargoed it will be more difficult to sell things from this address to Free America. With all the companies leaving the anti states, many will just not buy from companies in those states. I know if Beretta follows through and leaves the state I will purchase one of their pistols. I had no interest before this.