SB1 - Injunctive relief is provided for private property, locations that sell alcohol, and public demonstrations.

[Blacksmith101]

Great idea!

A short piece of chain wrapped around an ammo can with a luggage lock to the handle and you just put your ammo in a locked container. The real cheap locks all use the same key. The laws say a locked container not how long it can resist a burglar.

Chain:

Everbilt #1 x 10 ft. Zinc Plated Steel Double Loop Chain 803062 - The Home Depot

This Double Loop Chain is a versatile, lightweight, non-welded chain. It is both flexible and strong. It is a general utility chain and is ideal for a wide variety of uses such as gates, porch swings,

www.homedepot.com

Locks:
Amazon product ASIN B08NF42J41

 

[thomfantomas]

Way less than that.

I'm convinced that it is way less...

 

[rmdashrf]

Fifty inch screen money green leather sofa

im guessing 90% of the folks here won't get this, lol!!

probably because they got two rides, a limousine a chauffeur.

 

[Mark75H]

A short piece of chain wrapped around an ammo can with a luggage lock to the handle and you just put your ammo in a locked container. The real cheap locks all use the same key. The laws say a locked container not how long it can resist a burglar.

Chain:

Everbilt #1 x 10 ft. Zinc Plated Steel Double Loop Chain 803062 - The Home Depot

This Double Loop Chain is a versatile, lightweight, non-welded chain. It is both flexible and strong. It is a general utility chain and is ideal for a wide variety of uses such as gates, porch swings,

www.homedepot.com

Locks:
Amazon product ASIN B08NF42J41

Dollar tree has plastic boxes and locks. For $2.50 you are good to go.

 

[Threeband]

Where are people seeing this law about locked containers?

What is this about no detours?

 

[ChannelCat]

Where are people seeing this law about locked containers?

Reference to "locked container" appeared in the final version of the bill under "this section does not apply to". Paragraph B.11.I, page 8 of the PDF that I have.

 

[Threeband]

I think people are misinterpreting that.

 

[Harrys]

Before all the hoopla you could carry in a MD WWMA. Has this gone away with the new BS laws?

I think he meant Wildlife Management Area.

IMO, all Parks, Fed, State, and County, should allow CCW Permit carry. Especially if it's a park in the City of Baltimore!

Yup I meant a WMA the Ws got away from me.

 

[44 Bulldog]

Taking a leap of assumption that said hypothetical person is going to/ from said Cindy Hot Shots , and doesn't have a W&C , and their route of travel only Includes B-W Parkway & rt 175 , tben probably not require locked case .

But yeah , I had to put enough caveats and assumptions into that statement .

So between now and December 31 , I'll be generous , and not accuse anyone of BGOS for transporting with locked case . Kind of a 90 day window for everyone to get up to speed , and learn all the sensitive boundaries .

Careful on the B-W Parkway or any parkway, thats federal property, friend of mine stopped for an accident on B-W and when the US Park Police showed up he told him he had a carry permit and was armed.... the officer told him you know your on federal property right and are not suppose to be armed, then the officer said thanks for letting me know and went on about his business. my friend said he got the hell outta there

 

[SigNerd]

Which begs the question, why wasn't carry in private property not open to the public part of the PI request? And open carry? Seems like an unforced error, if you're asking for the cake back why would you not ask for ALL the cake? As it is we only got a couple of (medium sized) slices.

Because the vampire rule for dwellings is probably unwinnable for our side. There's no presumption of carry rights in areas that aren't open to the public.

The judge made a mistake in citing the law, but if you read the opinion that went with the order it's clear that he's only talking about businesses and other private property that's open to the public. We didn't lose the dwelling injunction because of a technicality, it was never intended to be enjoined. It was a clerical error that it temporarily was.

Would I prefer not having the vampire rule for dwellings? Absolutely. Would the courts help us out with that? Probably not. Also each added count had the possibility of pushing that opinion/order out past Oct 1. And some courts have wrongly decided it's best to keep the status quo rather than the status quo ante (status quo before the law was enacted), so more counts would add to the risk of not getting a PI at all.

 

[RFBfromDE]

@SigNerd Thanks!

 

[Phoenix_1295]

Careful on the B-W Parkway or any parkway, thats federal property, friend of mine stopped for an accident on B-W and when the US Park Police showed up he told him he had a carry permit and was armed.... the officer told him you know your on federal property right and are not suppose to be armed, then the officer said thanks for letting me know and went on about his business. my friend said he got the hell outta there

According to the NPS link below, you can carry a firearm on BW Parkway if you have a valid permit.

Laws & Policies - Baltimore-Washington Parkway (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

 

[eruby]

OMFG
BGOS
CMC
EBMD
ESADMGA

Make friends with the alligator, maybe he'll eat you last

 

[SigNerd]

Careful on the B-W Parkway or any parkway, thats federal property, friend of mine stopped for an accident on B-W and when the US Park Police showed up he told him he had a carry permit and was armed.... the officer told him you know your on federal property right and are not suppose to be armed, then the officer said thanks for letting me know and went on about his business. my friend said he got the hell outta there

Pretty sure that cop was wrong. BW Pkwy is controlled by the National Park Service. It's a national park which means it's legal as long as it's legal in the state (carry in national parks in MD is legal).

Also, federal property generally needs to be posted for firearms to be prohibited: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...rally-banned-locations-for-carrying-firearms/

[Insert normal IANAL caveats]

 

[scottyfz6]

As for the locked case rule I had Mark from MSI answer that on sunday at the MSI meeting.

For the simple answer, it only applies to guns in sensitive places. Problem is going to sensitive places with guns in general is already a NO NO.

Quote from MSI's page on SB1.

-Firearms that are carried or transported in a motor vehicle if the firearm is locked in a container or handguns worn, carried, or transported in compliance with any limitations imposed under § 5-307 of the Public Safety Article by those who permits to wear, carry or transport handguns have been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article. This does not affect transport of firearms under current law in areas unaffected by SB 1.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Careful on the B-W Parkway or any parkway, thats federal property, friend of mine stopped for an accident on B-W and when the US Park Police showed up he told him he had a carry permit and was armed.... the officer told him you know your on federal property right and are not suppose to be armed, then the officer said thanks for letting me know and went on about his business. my friend said he got the hell outta there

And the USPP Ofc was incorrect .

B-W Parkway is NPS , and NPS follows the law of the surrounding state for Firearms Carry .

 

[Blaster229]

Careful on the B-W Parkway or any parkway, thats federal property, friend of mine stopped for an accident on B-W and when the US Park Police showed up he told him he had a carry permit and was armed.... the officer told him you know your on federal property right and are not suppose to be armed, then the officer said thanks for letting me know and went on about his business. my friend said he got the hell outta there

Incorrect.

 

[rbird7282]

Because the vampire rule for dwellings is probably unwinnable for our side. There's no presumption of carry rights in areas that aren't open to the public.

The judge made a mistake in citing the law, but if you read the opinion that went with the order it's clear that he's only talking about businesses and other private property that's open to the public. We didn't lose the dwelling injunction because of a technicality, it was never intended to be enjoined. It was a clerical error that it temporarily was.

Would I prefer not having the vampire rule for dwellings? Absolutely. Would the courts help us out with that? Probably not. Also each added count had the possibility of pushing that opinion/order out past Oct 1. And some courts have wrongly decided it's best to keep the status quo rather than the status quo ante (status quo before the law was enacted), so more counts would add to the risk of not getting a PI at all.

The State has no jurisdiction over private property rights therefore they cannot tell a homeowner that something that is otherwise legal isn’t allowed in their house. They have overstepped as usual


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[44 Bulldog]

And the USPP Ofc was incorrect .

B-W Parkway is NPS , and NPS follows the law of the surrounding state for Firearms Carry .

right or wrong , he got the hell outta there!

 

[crabjoe]

Pretty sure that cop was wrong. BW Pkwy is controlled by the National Park Service. It's a national park which means it's legal as long as it's legal in the state (carry in national parks in MD is legal).

[Insert normal IANAL caveats]

Where have you seen that carry in National Parks in MD was legal? Everything I've seen stated it was illegal to carry in any State or National Park in MD, unless it's a WMA.