SB 1 - Dont’s

[Harrys]

Remember the government is here to help.

 

[Mark75H]

Unless I am wrong and there is previous case law, I would take it the same way MDSPLD does HBAR. Is it labeled?

 

[dblas]

Is museum defined in Maryland law? I am wondering because I am planning to head to the Baltimore aquarium soon. And of all of the places I'd go I'd want to carry, well there, meh. To and from there, yeah. And I am guessing you could probably stretch the aquarium to be considered a museum. And yeah, I know concealed means concealed and all that.

Museum is not defined, I am guessing it would have to have the word "museum" in the name, but then again, this is Maryland and any County SA could charge you with whatever they want based on how they feel that day. Likewise, since the law is si vague, it benefits us as well in the same way.

 

[BurkeM]

Is museum defined in Maryland law?

No.

The Aquarium does not mention policy in their website.

 

[MD Shooter Envy]

No.

The Aquarium does not mention policy in their website.

The aquarium property (land) is owned by the City of Baltimore.

 

[miles71]

Museum is not defined, I am guessing it would have to have the word "museum" in the name, but then again, this is Maryland and any County SA could charge you with whatever they want based on how they feel that day. Likewise, since the law is si vague, it benefits us as well in the same way.

Yes it is defined in the new lesson plans for instructors. I will have to look to find the law but museums are off limits.

TD

 

[scottyfz6]

Museum is not defined, I am guessing it would have to have the word "museum" in the name, but then again, this is Maryland and any County SA could charge you with whatever they want based on how they feel that day. Likewise, since the law is si vague, it benefits us as well in the same way.

Correct, the only time the word Museum is used it under the definition of a special purpose area

Yes it is defined in the new lesson plans for instructors. I will have to look to find the law but museums are off limits.

TD

Yes they are off limits but there is no definition that spells out what they are. So Yes as Dan said if it has Museum in the name, it hard to say it does not apply. Now something like the Walters Art gallery, does not have museum in its name but obviously is.

Again to under stand what they meant, they where trying to use it during the general session statements last year to cover where kids are learning or seeing art type things.

 

[miles71]

Correct, the only time the word Museum is used it under the definition of a special purpose area

Yes they are off limits but there is no definition that spells out what they are. So Yes as Dan said if it has Museum in the name, it hard to say it does not apply. Now something like the Walters Art gallery, does not have museum in its name but obviously is.

Again to under stand what they meant, they where trying to use it during the general session statements last year to cover where kids are learning or seeing art type things.

A grey area that could be unpleasant

TD

 

[dblas]

Yes it is defined in the new lesson plans for instructors. I will have to look to find the law but museums are off limits.

TD

Read what I wrote, Museums ARE NOT defined in State Statute. Lesson plans are NOT State Statute, and will NOT hold up in court. I never said that museums weren't off limits, just that they were not defined in State Statute.

 

[dblas]

Correct, the only time the word Museum is used it under the definition of a special purpose area

Yes they are off limits but there is no definition that spells out what they are. So Yes as Dan said if it has Museum in the name, it hard to say it does not apply. Now something like the Walters Art gallery, does not have museum in its name but obviously is.

Again to under stand what they meant, they where trying to use it during the general session statements last year to cover where kids are learning or seeing art type things.

Thanks for the assist in posting the State Statute.

 

[dblas]

A grey area that could be unpleasant

TD

That grey area goes both ways.

 

[miles71]

Read what I wrote, Museums ARE NOT defined in State Statute. Lesson plans are NOT State Statute, and will NOT hold up in court. I never said that museums weren't off limits, just that they were not defined in State Statute.

4-111 was what I was referring to, and contrary to what some think I can read. I understand the definition of a museum is not in the law, but "museum" is.

What if I open up a firearms museum?

TD

 

[dblas]

4-111 was what I was referring to, and contrary to what some think I can read. I understand the definition of a museum is not in the law, but "museum" is.

What if I open up a firearms museum?

TD

You stated "Yes it is defined in the new lesson plans for instructors. I will have to look to find the law but museums are off limits."

The new lesson plan does not equal 4-111.

And while museum is indeed in the statute, a definition is not and again, which what the question was, and my answer to.

If you open a firearms museum, carry is not permitted there. It's not that hard, the new laws do not ban firearms, they ban the carry and transport of firearms in certain areas.

 

[miles71]

You stated "Yes it is defined in the new lesson plans for instructors. I will have to look to find the law but museums are off limits."

The new lesson plan does not equal 4-111.

And while museum is indeed in the statute, a definition is not and again, which what the question was, and my answer to.

If you open a firearms museum, carry is not permitted there. It's not that hard, the new laws do not ban firearms, they ban the carry and transport of firearms in certain areas.

You obviously didn’t get that the firearms museum comment was a joke. Prob best this conversation comes to a close.

TD

 

[Phoenix_1295]

From National Aquarium website:

“Weapons—including firearms, ammunition, knives, sharp tools or instruments, mace/pepper spray or other chemical weapons—are strictly prohibited.”

It is the last item on the page below:

Plan Your Visit

Information on directions, parking, ticket prices, amenities and accessibility for the National Aquarium in Baltimore.

aqua.org

 

[dblas]

You obviously didn’t get that the firearms museum comment was a joke. Prob best this conversation comes to a close.

TD

Sorry, missed the sarcasm (it's been a long day and I should probably just shut up and go to bed).

 

[dblas]

From National Aquarium website:

“Weapons—including firearms, ammunition, knives, sharp tools or instruments, mace/pepper spray or other chemical weapons—are strictly prohibited.”

It is the last item on the page below:

Plan Your Visit

Information on directions, parking, ticket prices, amenities and accessibility for the National Aquarium in Baltimore.

aqua.org

That's nice, currently has no force of law.

 

[miles71]

Sorry, missed the sarcasm (it's been a long day and I should probably just shut up and go to bed).

I have also had a long day and am cranky. No hard feelings.

TD

 

[Crazytrain]

From National Aquarium website:

“Weapons—including firearms, ammunition, knives, sharp tools or instruments, mace/pepper spray or other chemical weapons—are strictly prohibited.”

Is there a difference between "strictly prohibited" and simply "prohibited"? Always bothered me.

 

[scottyfz6]

Is there a difference between "strictly prohibited" and simply "prohibited"? Always bothered me.

Yes strictly prohibited means they will give you two dirty looks vs one as they walk you out the door under threat of trespass.