That’s what I’m thinking. He doesn’t have my combination for that reasonI believe he would have to have his own safe/locking cabinet. That way he doesn’t have access to yours and you don’t have access to his.
He’d then have access to machine guns and suppressors. He’s a solid, trustworthy kid.It should be able to be stored in the same safe. There is no requirement for people to own their own individual safe in the same household as long as they can legally possess any gun within that common safe and household.
IANAL
I may just do that.You could keep it simple and get a small something to lock up just the lower.
They are on a couple of things of mine, but not everything.My wife and daughter have access to my safe and NFA as they are trustees to my NFA trust.
I believe there is for class 3 stuff.My point is, I don't think there is a legal requirement for separate safes. It's more your comfort level...
I don’t believe anyone but the registered owner(s) can have access. I suppose I could put his rifle on the trust. I didn’t want to do that, because he’s an adult and will fly the nest someday.My point is, I don't think there is a legal requirement for separate safes. It's more your comfort level...
I can limit, physically, access to any of my firearms to anyone, including trustees. That would be of my own doing. If I die, and there are no other restrictions placed by me into the trust, my trustees have carte blanch. That is my understanding of MY trust, as it exists today.I don’t believe anyone but the registered owner(s) can have access. I suppose I could put his rifle on the trust. I didn’t want to do that, because he’s an adult and will fly the nest someday.
I don’t believe anyone but the registered owner(s) can have access. I suppose I could put his rifle on the trust. I didn’t want to do that, because he’s an adult and will fly the nest someday.
There in lies the rub. His son is not a trustee, therefore cant have access to George's Class 3 items. George is not going to be a trustee on his son's class 3, so he can't have access to the boys items.I can limit, physically, access to any of my firearms to anyone, including trustees. That would be of my own doing. If I die, and there are no other restrictions placed by me into the trust, my trustees have carte blanch. That is my understanding of MY trust, as it exists today.
Trutees, as stated in a given trust, are the ONLY ones who may be in possession of NFA items within that trust, without my being present.
Ok. We’ll just throw an HBAR upper on it and call it a day.When there is no short upper on it, a registered lower is not an SBR. BATFE says you don't need to file a Form 20 if you don't take a short upper with you. I would think the lower alone or if it had a rifle length upper on it, you'd be able to store it in your safe.
But it's also easy enough for him to lock the lower in a cheap plastic case and have you store that in your safe.
I wonder if a trigger lock would suffice to deny access.
huh. May be more mythological BGS stuff. I did search before posting the question so nobody could give me crap about it being in neon lights. I’m more interested in the formal answer, as it piqued my curiosity.I searched through the ATF NFA handbook and couldn’t find any applicable law. I also searched the internet and found nothing. Follow your gut.
*****I am by no means an expert, but this question has come up in several of my firearms classes before from members who have Class 3 items, children, spouses, or others living in the home, etc.. The gentlemen who sometimes helps me teach the course is an attorney with Class 3 items himself, also has an FFL, and at least used to set up these types of trusts. He has always answered the question pretty much with the same info as is above in the quoted post.There in lies the rub. His son is not a trustee, therefore cant have access to George's Class 3 items. George is not going to be a trustee on his son's class 3, so he can't have access to the boys items.
The difference being the trust. Trustees can have access.
If it owned by an individual, only the named person can have access, unless said person is there. That is my understanding.
If an individual is changing his or her State of residence and the individual's application to transport the NFA firearm cannot be approved because of a prohibition in the new State, what options does a lawful possessor have?
NFA firearms may be left in a safe deposit box in his or her former State of residence. Also, the firearm could be left or stored in the former State of residence at the house of a friend or relative in a locked room or container to which only the registered owner has a key. The friend or relative should be supplied with a copy of the registration forms and a letter from the owner authorizing storage of the firearm at that location.
The firearms may also be transferred in accordance with NFA regulations or abandoned to ATF.