No more SBRs

[Pinecone]

So do they still want a copy of the 77R, even though the date of purchase makes no difference?

 

[daNattyFatty]

So do they still want a copy of the 77R, even though the date of purchase makes no difference?

I don't think we've received a definitive answer. I included mine in hopes that I wouldn't have any issues. I got approved. Whether or not including the 77R helped, I have no idea.

 

[Pinecone]

I will probably just submit, it can't hurt.

 

[sleev-les]

I did not have my 77r in my submittal. Just my PO

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Oh goodie look what MSP just sent out: http://content.govdelivery.com/atta.../08/08/file_attachments/314405/MSP+77R-2B.pdf

 

[teratos]

Oh goodie look what MSP just sent out: http://content.govdelivery.com/atta.../08/08/file_attachments/314405/MSP+77R-2B.pdf

Your RIFLE has to be on the HANDGUN roster!!!

 

[swinokur]

Application #:______________

MARYLAND STATE POLICE
Addendum: Application and Affidavit to Purchase a Regulated Firearm
Short Barreled Rifle (SBR)/Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)

Make: ______________________ Model: _______________________ Caliber: ___________________
Serial#:_________________ Type: ______ Finish: __________ Country of Origin: ________________
Barrel length: ______ Overall Length (Tip of Barrel to End of Fully Extended Stock): _____________
Please note Annotated Code of Maryland, Criminal Law §4-301 (e) Copycat weapon – (1) “Copycat weapon”
means:
(i) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has any two of the
following:

1. a folding stock;

2. a grenade launcher or flare launcher; or

3. a flash suppressor;

(ii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds;

(iii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 29 inches;

(iv) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds;

(v) a semiautomatic shotgun that has a folding stock; or

(vi) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

A "copycat weapon" is not eligible for sale to the general public (unless the purchaser had a purchase
order for, or a completed application to purchase, the firearm prior to October 1, 2013).

Overall length is measured between the extreme ends of the firearm along a line parallel to the center line
of the bore. An attachment to the barrel, such as a muzzle brake or flash suppressor, should not be
included in the measurement unless it is permanently affixed.

Handgun Roster: A person may not sell or offer for sale a handgun manufactured after January 1, 1985, that is not listed
on the handgun roster.
If the handgun was manufactured after January 1, 1985, is it listed on the handgun roster? (Circle) YES or NO

SBR/SBS Section Sign upon Application Completion SBR/SBS Section Sign upon Transfer of Firearm

Transferee/Voluntary Registrant____________________ Transferee/Voluntary Registrant____________________

Dealer/Transferor_____________________Date__ /_ _/___ Dealer/Transferor_____________________Date__ /_ _/___


MSP 77R-2B (8-8-14) THIS IS NOT A PERMIT TO CARRY A HANDGUN OR FIREARM

...

Still won't affect Form 1's will it?

 

[Pinecone]

Your RIFLE has to be on the HANDGUN roster!!!

Yes, by MD law, an SBR is a pistol. However they apply the copycat test for centerfire RIFLES to them.

They are inconsistent to say the least.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Still won't affect Form 1's will it?

Form 1 isn't a sale or transfer of SBR so the 77R-2B doesn't apply. Should only apply to an initial sale where the rifle is an SBR.

 

[swinokur]

that's what I thought. This is just for transfers on Form 4. I assume BATF will still want a copy of your original 77r when you submit your Form 1.

ETA-since MSP is now allowing purchase of stripped lowers with a 77r, the purchase date is no longer germane since it has to be > 29" no matter the date. I don't see why BATF would still demand them.

But it is the gubmint.

 

[dogbone]

All this foolishness has me thinking I had best get a Form 1 in the pipeline before they come up with any more stupid.

 

[daNattyFatty]

All this foolishness has me thinking I had best get a Form 1 in the pipeline before they come up with any more stupid.

Always a good decision!

 

[navyis2]

just got an interesting letter back with an approval. thought you guys would appreciate this. Again, just adding this to help. If i get more pissy emails after helping people, i'll delete it.

 

[swinokur]

This makes sense to me. NFA Branch is saying even if you owned the lower before 10-1, you'd be making the firearm after 10-1, so the OAL on copycats applies. Makes sense to me.

YMMV

 

[ironpony]

Navyis2 can I ask when you filed? and thanks, for the help.

 

[navyis2]

that one was paper filed on 18 June, but was a re submission from the big blanket disapproval that happened a few months back. So paper filed trust 18 june. Approved 08 August.

 

[ironpony]

Got it, thanks again and congrats.

 

[aaronn]

Does this look right, or did I forget a step in the submission process?

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Yep. It stays in that status until approved.

 

[sundaeman]

This makes sense to me. NFA Branch is saying even if you owned the lower before 10-1, you'd be making the firearm after 10-1, so the OAL on copycats applies. Makes sense to me.

YMMV

But, if you had made it into a pistol before 10-1 and before you put in a Form 1, what happens then ?