Next time someone tells you Australia Solved their gun problem

[MudPuppy]

Point them here:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...across-melbourne/story-fni0fee2-1226736521573

Four guns, a sword and crossbow were seized in the raids, which were dubbed Operation Redefine.

Enough ammunition to require the use of a trailer was confiscated in one raid.

 

[Hopalong]

Good find. I'll keep that one handy.


What will drive most gun control folks bonkers is that Australia's draconian laws did nothing to help reduce violent crime.

1. Their violent crime levels were already much lower than in the US, and passing their laws didn't really change them.

2. Even though Australia hasn't had a publicized mass shooting since they passed their laws, neither has New Zealand, which has much less strict laws.

 

[abean4187]

Good find. I'll keep that one handy.


What will drive most gun control folks bonkers is that Australia's draconian laws did nothing to help reduce violent crime.

1. Their violent crime levels were already much lower than in the US, and passing their laws didn't really change them.

2. Even though Australia hasn't had a publicized mass shooting since they passed their laws, neither has New Zealand, which has much less strict laws.

1. Anti rights activists don't care about violent crime, or really crime in general. The ones calling for gun control are so far removed from the inner city where the majority of crime happens that they could care less. They have no fear that it will ever happen to them.

2. Their response, "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING!!!"

 

[tkd4life]

People who are really fighting for gun control don’t care about violent crime or even homicides for that matter. I’ve had numerous conversations with anti-gunners who said things like the navy yard shooting was “better off” because he didn’t have an “assault rifle”. When I asked about the Virginia tech shooter they claimed the same thing. If they had an AR, they would have killed many more.
Some people don’t want to reduce homicides, violent crime, or even mass shootings. They just want to eliminate homicides with assault rifles. Even with them being a statistical negligible number, they don’t care. Look at the heart of Piers Morgans argument in how Brittan has very few homicides with fire arms. It doesn’t matter to him that their violent crime rates are actually one of the highest in the EU. But no one is being killed by guns.

 

[Traveler]

Per the article, 700 police, 60 properties raided, 13 arrests, 4 guns seized. Now THAT is government efficiency.

 

[Vassago]

4 guns seized LOL; come on if that had been here it would say 50 to 100 guns seized this is comical...

 

[CrazySanMan]

Hewat, 58, was also charged with using threatening words in a public place after allegedly telling arresting officers: “I believe families are now on the line and fair go.”

Wow. Charged with using threatening words in public. HOW DARE HE HURT THOSE FEELINGS!!!

 

[SirMrManGuy]

Good find. I'll keep that one handy.


What will drive most gun control folks bonkers is that Australia's draconian laws did nothing to help reduce violent crime.

1. Their violent crime levels were already much lower than in the US, and passing their laws didn't really change them.

2. Even though Australia hasn't had a publicized mass shooting since they passed their laws, neither has New Zealand, which has much less strict laws.

Just FYI, while NZ's laws are much less strict than Aus, and its pretty common outside of Auckland to own a rifle or shotgun, the laws are stricter than anything in the US.

The process to buy a gun looks like:
1. Take a hunter safety course at the police station
2. Apply for a firearms license, they call two references who you must have known for over a year
3. Get a home inspection by a police officer (they inspect your safe and ammo storage). You must store your gun with the ammo separate.
4. Get licence/buy long gun. The process can take up to 6 months.

To get handguns or EBR's you need another licence which is further work. No CCW either. The average gun owner has a bolt action in .270wsm or .308, a bolt action 22lr and maybe a pump shotgun. Its all based around hunting, self defense isn't even something they are used to talking about.

I'm not sure why we have lower crime than the US, its probably not about guns, more about the general culture. We have gangs and stuff but they are pretty harmless. In general there are 40 murders a year in a country with the population of Maryland and a landmass the size of California. When something happens its a big deal though.

 

[Slowhand]

Wow. Charged with using threatening words in public. HOW DARE HE HURT THOSE FEELINGS!!!

Hurt Feelings report FILED!

 

[Half-cocked]

Wow. Charged with using threatening words in public. HOW DARE HE HURT THOSE FEELINGS!!!

He was telling the arresting officers that retribution against their families should be expected.

I think the extra charges are warranted - also I think a knee to the groin wouldn't go amiss, either.

 

[Dogabutila]

Just FYI, while NZ's laws are much less strict than Aus, and its pretty common outside of Auckland to own a rifle or shotgun, the laws are stricter than anything in the US.

The process to buy a gun looks like:
1. Take a hunter safety course at the police station
2. Apply for a firearms license, they call two references who you must have known for over a year
3. Get a home inspection by a police officer (they inspect your safe and ammo storage). You must store your gun with the ammo separate.
4. Get licence/buy long gun. The process can take up to 6 months.

To get handguns or EBR's you need another licence which is further work. No CCW either. The average gun owner has a bolt action in .270wsm or .308, a bolt action 22lr and maybe a pump shotgun. Its all based around hunting, self defense isn't even something they are used to talking about.

I'm not sure why we have lower crime than the US, its probably not about guns, more about the general culture. We have gangs and stuff but they are pretty harmless. In general there are 40 murders a year in a country with the population of Maryland and a landmass the size of California. When something happens its a big deal though.

^ Sounds like the modern MD.

 

[SilverBulletZ06]

Just FYI, while NZ's laws are much less strict than Aus, and its pretty common outside of Auckland to own a rifle or shotgun, the laws are stricter than anything in the US.

The process to buy a gun looks like:
1. Take a hunter safety course at the police station
2. Apply for a firearms license, they call two references who you must have known for over a year
3. Get a home inspection by a police officer (they inspect your safe and ammo storage). You must store your gun with the ammo separate.
4. Get licence/buy long gun. The process can take up to 6 months.

To get handguns or EBR's you need another licence which is further work. No CCW either. The average gun owner has a bolt action in .270wsm or .308, a bolt action 22lr and maybe a pump shotgun. Its all based around hunting, self defense isn't even something they are used to talking about.

I'm not sure why we have lower crime than the US, its probably not about guns, more about the general culture. We have gangs and stuff but they are pretty harmless. In general there are 40 murders a year in a country with the population of Maryland and a landmass the size of California. When something happens its a big deal though.

You answer your own question.

 

[DavidMS]

No such thing as a gun problem.

If someone has a "gun problem," that means to me that they best seek mental health services.

If someone sees a criminal violence problem, its best addressed via fixing social and economic policy.

 

[press1280]

The gun control folks always like to use the phrases "gun crime" and "gun murders" and ignore the overall crime and murders. They think it's somehow better if someone is stabbed or beaten to death than shot. When you're dead, you're dead.

 

[oldsarge]

Just an aside. I looks like from one of the pictures Australian law enforcement carries S&W M&P's. I'm guessing in 9 mm rather than .40 because it is more common overseas.

 

[Vile Shadow]

1. Anti rights activists don't care about violent crime, or really crime in general. The ones calling for gun control are so far removed from the inner city where the majority of crime happens that they could care less. They have no fear that it will ever happen to them.

Of course not. Because it's all about control. Anything that even LOOKS like it would give the slightest tactical edge against a tyrannical government is to be targetted.

 

[mudskipper]

Per the article, 700 police, 60 properties raided, 13 arrests, 4 guns seized. Now THAT is government efficiency.

Pikers.

I've got four guns in my car....

 

[Hopalong]

Just FYI, while NZ's laws are much less strict than Aus, and its pretty common outside of Auckland to own a rifle or shotgun, the laws are stricter than anything in the US.

The process to buy a gun looks like:
1. Take a hunter safety course at the police station
2. Apply for a firearms license, they call two references who you must have known for over a year
3. Get a home inspection by a police officer (they inspect your safe and ammo storage). You must store your gun with the ammo separate.
4. Get licence/buy long gun. The process can take up to 6 months.

To get handguns or EBR's you need another licence which is further work. No CCW either. The average gun owner has a bolt action in .270wsm or .308, a bolt action 22lr and maybe a pump shotgun. Its all based around hunting, self defense isn't even something they are used to talking about.

I'm not sure why we have lower crime than the US, its probably not about guns, more about the general culture. We have gangs and stuff but they are pretty harmless. In general there are 40 murders a year in a country with the population of Maryland and a landmass the size of California. When something happens its a big deal though.

Oh I know that NZ is more strict than the US. My point was at the relative change between AUS and NZ.

And I tend to agree regarding your comments on culture. I'll call out Baltimore in particular. Roughly 80% of homicide suspects and victims have criminal records. 45% of homicide suspects have a prior arrest for a gun-related crime. We have a culture of crime and violence in Baltimore that seems Hell-bent on killing itself, while largely leaving everyone else alone. Here's the source, from the Baltimore Sun no less.

 

[sxs]

4 guns seized LOL; come on if that had been here it would say 50 to 100 guns seized this is comical...

Kind'a interesting only 4 guns found when they needed a trailer to keep the ammo. Maybe it was a pretty small trailer.