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  • FrankZ

    Liberty = Responsibility
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 25, 2012
    3,367
    I've never owned a suppressor but I think I want one. This would be for an AR in 5.56.

    I want noise reduction and durability over cost. I've had a look at some of the lists of "best" but what would you get in this situation?
     

    smdub

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Nov 14, 2012
    4,665
    MoCo
    Ok, you said AR so thats a start. Not a bolt gun, gotcha. SBR? Long rifles? The difference matters.

    The basic fact is that the OSS (now HUXWRX) suppressors will be quietest *TO YOU* on most AR platforms (and for sure SBRs.) They also don't require changing gas block settings. There are quieter choices for bolt guns but that's not what you asked.
     

    Sundazes

    Throbbing Member
    MDS Supporter
    Nov 13, 2006
    21,676
    Arkham
    You will still need ear pro. Suppressing 556 is tough. If you have other hosts, like a 308 or any 30 cal, get a 30 cal can. More can volume means quieter. You will also be able to user on the other hosts. Kind of liken getting a 45 can to put on a 9mm.
    I bought a dedicated 556 and rarely use it. I will use my 30’s on the ar’s.
    Also don’t forget the mount system.
     

    FrankZ

    Liberty = Responsibility
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 25, 2012
    3,367
    Ok, you said AR so thats a start. Not a bolt gun, gotcha. SBR? Long rifles? The difference matters.

    The basic fact is that the OSS (now HUXWRX) suppressors will be quietest *TO YOU* on most AR platforms (and for sure SBRs.) They also don't require changing gas block settings. There are quieter choices for bolt guns but that's not what you asked.
    It has a 16 inch barrel.

    I have been eyeing the OSS ones.
     

    FrankZ

    Liberty = Responsibility
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 25, 2012
    3,367
    You will still need ear pro. Suppressing 556 is tough. If you have other hosts, like a 308 or any 30 cal, get a 30 cal can. More can volume means quieter. You will also be able to user on the other hosts. Kind of liken getting a 45 can to put on a 9mm.
    I bought a dedicated 556 and rarely use it. I will use my 30’s on the ar’s.
    Also don’t forget the mount system.
    Thank you for the observation. I am not trying to remove ear protection, just help reduce the heard sound as much as possible. This is all about me and mine's hearing and saving as much of it as we can.
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,085
    You will still need ear pro. Suppressing 556 is tough. If you have other hosts, like a 308 or any 30 cal, get a 30 cal can. More can volume means quieter. You will also be able to user on the other hosts. Kind of liken getting a 45 can to put on a 9mm.
    I bought a dedicated 556 and rarely use it. I will use my 30’s on the ar’s.
    Also don’t forget the mount system.
    ^^^This. And this man knows his sound suppression. For 5.56, think .30 cal can. Later, you'll be looking for a .22 can.
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,711
    PA
    The mount and gas block matter. Huxwrx is good with pretty much no change to the rifle, but IMO sounds about the same as a 30cal K can, although the huxwrx is larger, and more expensive. Personally I like the smaller size/weight of K cans on supersonic AR calibers, shorter length= less backpressure. 30cal cans tend to be better on 5.56 ARs because of the lower back pressure, so a 30cal can is really nice on most all ARs with supersonic ammo. My favorite can for all my AR 10/15s is actually an Omega36. Have other rifle cans, but the 36M can be a 5" K can or 7" full-sized, 9mm bore for 9mm or 350 legend, sounds awesome on 300 subs, and is small/light in K configuration on 5.56, rated to 338 Lapua. It's quieter with a 22 end cap and adjustable gas, but very little back pressure, little blowback or port pop when in K configuration with 8mm end cap.
     

    calicojack

    American Sporting Rifle
    MDS Supporter
    May 29, 2018
    5,425
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    You will still need ear pro. Suppressing 556 is tough. If you have other hosts, like a 308 or any 30 cal, get a 30 cal can. More can volume means quieter. You will also be able to user on the other hosts. Kind of liken getting a 45 can to put on a 9mm.
    I bought a dedicated 556 and rarely use it. I will use my 30’s on the ar’s.
    Also don’t forget the mount system.
    Even though you need ear pro, I still find the suppressed rifle MUCH more pleasant to shoot, esp. on those 11.5" to 14.5" barrel AR's.
     

    FreedomLuvr

    Active Member
    Mar 21, 2010
    211
    Balt. Co.
    I was thouroghly impressed by Griffins Dual-lok 5. Had some of the best in class at ear performance, Low backpressure. Lightweight (under 12oz). As soon as I heard it at the CA suppressor event I immediately ordered one. Personally, I loved the no wear locking collar. I also tossed an HRT on the pile as well. It's a tubed harder use suppressor. The GA guys said its a few DB louder and doesn't have the slits at the front for flow through. However, they said its made for SBRs and has best in class flash suppression.

    If you don't care about weight I would look at the Sci-six (similar at ear as the DL5 but quieter at the muzzle).

    I'm also going to toss an explorr on my pile if it will thread onto the DL taper. It's only 9oz, non-TI, and full auto rated. Seems like a phenomenal all around "fighting" can. If I wasn't already in their ecosystem I would get the HUB explorr. The DL5 is apparently a modified explorr baffle stack with the added flow through design and locking collar.

    I'm really curious about that new Duramag can. It has a swappable core. So buy one can and have the ability to change Cores for different calibers. I have zero idea how they will get that past the fuckbois at the ATF.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,965
    Socialist State of Maryland
    I've never owned a suppressor but I think I want one. This would be for an AR in 5.56.

    I want noise reduction and durability over cost. I've had a look at some of the lists of "best" but what would you get in this situation?
    Griffin Paladin 300. Buy .22 nose cap and you can still use it if you want to move up to a .30 cal. The difference between the can made strictly for the .22 is negligible. It is full auto capable and will last a loooong time.
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,711
    PA
    Griffin Paladin 300. Buy .22 nose cap and you can still use it if you want to move up to a .30 cal. The difference between the can made strictly for the .22 is negligible. It is full auto capable and will last a loooong time.
    Awesome can, it does work on a 22, but the difference is far from negligable. It's good on a 22 rifle, but quite a bit louder than a dedicated 22 can on handguns. Even so, it's awesome on rifle calibers, really similar to the bushwacker 36, but the Bushwacker has a modular mount and 9mm bore, but sounds about the same as the Paladin.

    I was thouroghly impressed by Griffins Dual-lok 5. Had some of the best in class at ear performance, Low backpressure. Lightweight (under 12oz). As soon as I heard it at the CA suppressor event I immediately ordered one. Personally, I loved the no wear locking collar. I also tossed an HRT on the pile as well. It's a tubed harder use suppressor. The GA guys said its a few DB louder and doesn't have the slits at the front for flow through. However, they said its made for SBRs and has best in class flash suppression.

    If you don't care about weight I would look at the Sci-six (similar at ear as the DL5 but quieter at the muzzle).

    I'm also going to toss an explorr on my pile if it will thread onto the DL taper. It's only 9oz, non-TI, and full auto rated. Seems like a phenomenal all around "fighting" can. If I wasn't already in their ecosystem I would get the HUB explorr. The DL5 is apparently a modified explorr baffle stack with the added flow through design and locking collar.

    I'm really curious about that new Duramag can. It has a swappable core. So buy one can and have the ability to change Cores for different calibers. I have zero idea how they will get that past the fuckbois at the ATF.
    I love Griffin, most of the newer cans are very similar, but have slight differences being they were allegedly designed for specific units or agencies. I love the taper mount, have at least a dozen hosts equipped with taper mounts, really wish the dual lock was backwards compatible with it. The dual lock has the taper in front of the threads, taper mount is behind, and different threading, so they are not compatible at all. You can swap the dual lock or plan A(taper mount) on the modular mount Explorr though. Supposedly they had a design that locked on the back of the tapered flange, but couldn't get it to work quite right. I have an older Explorr 30, and love it, would like a low-BP verision if they make the dual lock 7 design with a taper mount. I know they changed the DL7 design mid production, some have a fixed dual lock mounts, some have a modular DL mount and 1.375x24 threads, and can be swapped for a plan A, but not sure how far they got in production( I would have to order it site unseen), and not sure if it's worth a grand for a DL can then another $100 for a plan A vs just getting a newer explorr and saving a couple hundred.
     
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    John from MD

    American Patriot
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    May 12, 2005
    22,965
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Awesome can, it does work on a 22, but the difference is far from negligable. It's good on a 22 rifle, but quite a bit louder than a dedicated 22 can on handguns. Even so, it's awesome on rifle calibers, really similar to the bushwacker 36, but the Bushwacker has a modular mount and 9mm bore, but sounds about the same as the Paladin.


    I love Griffin, most of the newer cans are very similar, but have slight differences being they were allegedly designed for specific units or agencies. I love the taper mount, have at least a dozen hosts equipped with taper mounts, really wish the dual lock was backwards compatible with it. The dual lock has the taper in front of the threads, taper mount is behind, and different threading, so they are not compatible at all. You can swap the dual lock or plan A(taper mount) on the modular mount Explorr though. Supposedly they had a design that locked on the back of the tapered flange, but couldn't get it to work quite right. I have an older Explorr 30, and love it, would like a low-BP verision if they make the dual lock 7 design with a taper mount. I know they changed the DL7 design mid production, some have a fixed dual lock mounts, some have a modular DL mount and 1.375x24 threads, and can be swapped for a plan A, but not sure how far they got in production( I would have to order it site unseen), and not sure if it's worth a grand for a DL can then another $100 for a plan A vs just getting a newer explorr and saving a couple hundred.
    One thing about the taper mounts. They don't come loose until you want them too. (PS buy the wrench) :D
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,711
    PA
    One thing about the taper mounts. They don't come loose until you want them too. (PS buy the wrench) :D
    They are awesome, huge variety of styles, and never had a problem with any of mine. Snug them up, then they tighten as it heats, then loosens after it cools, 90% of the issues are trying to take off a hot can, and finding it really tight as it is designed to do. One thing I don't like about the Dual loc is that like the ASR, you have to turn the collar to lock/unlock it, and pull it up in the DL's case, so won't work with tucked cans, for that reason IMO keymo is still king of the locking QD mounts.

    I did see some info from Evan Green about a locking system they patented before Dual loc-came out. Basically tighten the can, and push inward to retract lock fingers behind the taper flange, let it gfo when snug, and it locked, then push in to retract the lock, turn to unthread the can. Would have been awesome, no need to access the ring to lock/unlock, secure, simple, and backwards compatible with taper mounts. Griffin loves to suddenly create "gen 2" models usually while people are waiting on their now inferior gen 2s to clear NFA jail, so I'm hesitant to spend a bunch swapping taper mounts to dual lok when they might end up coming out with something better.
     

    F-Stop

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 16, 2009
    2,494
    Cecil County
    I agree on the ASR. Wasn’t bad, just a pain for when it’s close or tucked under hand-guard a little. Changed my Omega over to Griffen and use the short muzzle devices.


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    Hibs

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 23, 2015
    1,020
    Maryland
    Awesome can, it does work on a 22, but the difference is far from negligable. It's good on a 22 rifle, but quite a bit louder than a dedicated 22 can on handguns. Even so, it's awesome on rifle calibers, really similar to the bushwacker 36, but the Bushwacker has a modular mount and 9mm bore, but sounds about the same as the Paladin.


    I love Griffin, most of the newer cans are very similar, but have slight differences being they were allegedly designed for specific units or agencies. I love the taper mount, have at least a dozen hosts equipped with taper mounts, really wish the dual lock was backwards compatible with it. The dual lock has the taper in front of the threads, taper mount is behind, and different threading, so they are not compatible at all. You can swap the dual lock or plan A(taper mount) on the modular mount Explorr though. Supposedly they had a design that locked on the back of the tapered flange, but couldn't get it to work quite right. I have an older Explorr 30, and love it, would like a low-BP verision if they make the dual lock 7 design with a taper mount. I know they changed the DL7 design mid production, some have a fixed dual lock mounts, some have a modular DL mount and 1.375x24 threads, and can be swapped for a plan A, but not sure how far they got in production( I would have to order it site unseen), and not sure if it's worth a grand for a DL can then another $100 for a plan A vs just getting a newer explorr and saving a couple hundred.

    Not exactly Apples to Apples... but I routinely use my Rugged Obsidian 9 can on my .22 rifles, and there is zero difference between it versus my dedicated rimfire can (CGS Hydra SS). Granted, the Hydra is much smaller and lighter, so I use it mostly on my pistols. But on my rifles, it really doesn't matter.

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    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,711
    PA
    Not exactly Apples to Apples... but I routinely use my Rugged Obsidian 9 can on my .22 rifles, and there is zero difference between it versus my dedicated rimfire can (CGS Hydra SS). Granted, the Hydra is much smaller and lighter, so I use it mostly on my pistols. But on my rifles, it really doesn't matter.

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    Most centerfire cans sound good on 22 rifles, but the large bore, big internal volume and greater baffle spacing give a hellacious FRP(sometimes SRP and TRP) and usually don't sound great with the higher gas pressures in short handgun barrels. At least compared to a dedicated 22 can

    I agree on the ASR. Wasn’t bad, just a pain for when it’s close or tucked under hand-guard a little. Changed my Omega over to Griffen and use the short muzzle devices.


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    The ASR only requires a quick turn to lock/unlock, the DL has to be pulled to retract, then tighten, and turn to lock. The problem in the one I demoe-ed was that the locking teeth only lined up when the collar was turned to the right OR left, one way it worked, the other way and you either needed to retract and turn the collar the other way or snug the can up tighter till the lock dropped on the teeth. It works as advertised, but I really didn't like it. The Griffin taper mount is awesome though, more than anything that is what attracted me to their stuff. One of the best is their linear comp, adds 1.5" to the muzzle length to clear handguards, and can tuck more than 2" of a can in the handguards. It also seems quieter on my 300BO than any other muzzle device, think it acts more like an extra baffle than their other flash hiders and brakes. They do have the new Over-the-barrel DL cans, basically a 2" longer can with a long muzzle device that allows about 2" of can to recess behind the muzzle. WOuld be awesome for tucked builds especially 300BO with pistol gas so plenty of room in front of the gas block, problem is they are dual lock, so can't tuck the mount under handguards, kinda stupid IMO.
     

    Hibs

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 23, 2015
    1,020
    Maryland
    Most centerfire cans sound good on 22 rifles, but the large bore, big internal volume and greater baffle spacing give a hellacious FRP(sometimes SRP and TRP) and usually don't sound great with the higher gas pressures in short handgun barrels. At least compared to a dedicated 22 can

    No hellacious first/second or third round pop on mine. I have shot both of my cans extensively, side by side on 10/22 style rifles. But hey what do I know.
     

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