New Page on MSP for Banned Rifles

[Kingjamez]

If you are unable to locate your firearm and you have already contacted a firearms dealer and/or the firearm's manufacturer and/or your attorney and have been unable to receive a satisfactory response, you may submit the below form. By submitting this form, you are acknowledging that you have contacted a firearms dealer and/or the firearm's manufacturer and/or your attorney and have not obtained the guidance necessary to make an informed decision.

This paragraph at the end is interesting. It essentially is the MSP not wanting to have to make a decision unless they have to. It gives some wiggle room for FFL's to use their discretion on making a legality call. If the MSP comes down and says they made the wrong call when the choice is grey, all the FFL needs to do is come back and say "You said not to ask!"

-Jim

 

[annihilation-time]

Isn't the M400 a pistol? How can it then be a banned rifle?

The M400 was a long gun before it was a pistol.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sigm400-classic.aspx

 

[RCH]

Shaking my head at the justification for the Tavors: "Copcat Weapon".

Copycat of what?

Then it says due to overall length...

 

[annihilation-time]

Shaking my head at the justification for the Tavors: "Copcat Weapon".

Copycat of what?

Then it says due to overall length...

Unfortunately, that's exactly how the law works.

 

[Minuteman]

The M400 was a long gun before it was a pistol.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sigm400-classic.aspx

Did not know, thanks!

So they obviously mean the rifle, not the pistol.

 

[Trumpet]

Anyone know about the Sig 556?

 

[Jaybeez]

Anyone know about the Sig 556?

msp isnt answering the questions we actually have with their list, they are just making a show of it to the judge.

 

[annihilation-time]

Did not know, thanks!

So they obviously mean the rifle, not the pistol.

No problem. :thumbup:

 

[frdfandc]

With this list, all they did is add diarrhea to an already crappy law. Just muddied the waters even more.

 

[Joshvictus]

They mention it because it's in the statute. They don't want someone to claim it wasn't listed and therefore not part of the copycat features list..

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Yeah I guess I can understand that lol.

They are

For $300 you can get a 37mm "signalling" devie shipped straight to your home, no paperwork required.

It will make your rifle uber lethal when attached! Its like those new laser seeking bullets

Like for if we're stranded at night somewhere right?

 

[BLACKTALON]

you can still buy a tavor if the OAL is 29+

 

[Mr.B]

So what exactly is the purpose of all this? It didn't make anything clearer

 

[Maverick0313]

Thanks for the web site post.

 

[tom b]

you can still buy a tavor if the OAL is 29+

Question - Does the muzzle brake or whatever is used to extend to 29"+ need to be permanent? Per the MSP link in this thread it's banned for being a copycat & for being less than 29".

Weapon Selected: IWI Tavor TAR;
Status: Banned
Justification: COPYCAT WEAPON
Date of Status: 10/1/2013
Comments: This weapon is currently banned based on the overall length of the firearm.

 

[BLACKTALON]

Question - Does the muzzle brake or whatever is used to extend to 29"+ need to be permanent? Per the MSP link in this thread it's banned for being a copycat & for being less than 29".

Weapon Selected: IWI Tavor TAR;
Status: Banned
Justification: COPYCAT WEAPON
Date of Status: 10/1/2013
Comments: This weapon is currently banned based on the overall length of the firearm.

yes must be permanent

 

[Vile Shadow]

Love the part where they casually mention a grenade launcher attachment in a list of banned addons... as if they were like hotcakes on everyone's AR's prior...

Granted, 40 mm "grenade" launchers were not, because those are "destructive devices" and therefore are subject to NFA.

"Assault weapon" laws are all about appearance. For less than 1/10th of the price of a 40mm grenade launcher, and without the red tape of NFA, you can get a 37mm "signalling device" that looks just like the 40mm. That is the only reason that was added.

 

[-Z/28-]

I saw that too. I haven't been keeping up very well. Is the Sig 556 good to go?

It's a grey area. Before the law took effect, MSP was compelling 556 owners who bought them cash and carry to fill out a 77r and registration papers by saying it was a copy of the 551(even though it's not) and should've been regulated. I haven't heard of anyone trying to buy one since the law went into effect to know for sure if MSP would approve it. I can say for sure the 556R(7.62x39) is still legal.

 

[Vile Shadow]

It's a grey area. Before the law took effect, MSP was compelling 556 owners who bought them cash and carry to fill out a 77r and registration papers by saying it was a copy of the 551(even though it's not) and should've been regulated.

Meh, they LOOK similar. That's close enough.

I haven't heard of anyone trying to buy one since the law went into effect to know for sure if MSP would approve it.

The MSP wouldn't need to approve a rifle purchase at this point because there ain't no more regulated rifles.

I can say for sure the 556R(7.62x39) is still legal.

The 556R is legal because it's a different caliber, thus not a copy.

 

[jrumann59]

KSG and UTS-15 banned?

 

[Vile Shadow]

KSG and UTS-15 banned?

Nope. This from the link....

Weapon Selected: UTS 15;
Status: Not Banned
Justification: NOT REGULATED BY STATUTE
Date of Status:
Comments: Not a semi-automatic rifle, not cosmetically similar to an enumerated shotgun & not a copycat weapon

The KSG said the same thing.