New member question voluntary drug rehab

[2Amontgomerycounty]

Nah no idea who that is . I have been working for a few months and seen that name thrown around a few times . Can you get me hip to the story?

Lurking * .. not working

 

[2Amontgomerycounty]

This is where comar comes in. The law can say one thing, and the dept that controls it can interpitate it as something different.

Either way I wonder if they would have access to that data if it wasn't court order ? can they access medication , information from doctor visits ?

 

[2Amontgomerycounty]

Regulations arent law though. You could argue its overreach of the agency that wrote it, because it effectively MAKES a law... which only the MGA can do.

100% agree

 

[2Amontgomerycounty]

what is COMAR?

@OP congrats on getting clean! Best of luck

Thanks and thanks

 

[2Amontgomerycounty]

If clean your not actively addicted.

If it was for over 30 days and voluntary I think it will be a disqualifier. I think most rehabs are consider mental health places. But dont hold me to it.

What I would do is pay 300 bucks to lawyer if you can to confirm your status.

But here is a side note the state police cant see private mental health stuff, only the state run mental health system.

Gotcha

 

[scottyfz6]

Either way I wonder if they would have access to that data if it wasn't court order ? can they access medication , information from doctor visits ?

No they can only access if your where admitted to start run mental treatment places. They cant access private medical providers.

You also need to know they cant actually see your records. What they can see is if there is a name and birthdate that matches a record the state health dept keeps and they only have state hospital record.

 

[dblas]

According to COMAR, one is prohibited from possessing a firearm if they were in a rehab for 30 or more consecutive days, whether it be voluntary or court ordered.

COMAR is NOT state law.

 

[RFBfromDE]

...obtain a job was required me to get a wear and carry .

Even armed security officers do not require a W&C. What kind of job does? Are they still hiring?

 

[dblas]

This is where comar comes in. The law can say one thing, and the dept that controls it can interpitate it as something different.

While MSP can interpret what a requirement is (one shot requirement added to show proof of ability to safely handle a firearm), MSP CANNOT rewrite a definition in State Statute.

 

[dblas]

Even armed security officers do not require a W&C. What kind of job does? Are they still hiring?

In Maryland, they actually do, and are required to have it and their "guard card" on their person at all time when working.

 

[outrider58]

OP, You will have to answer questions 9 and 10 in the affirmative. There are no time constraints on those two questions, only whether you have or haven't yada yada yada. Answer everything truthfully and see where it goes. Do not lie. Arrests without convictions still count as arrests as far as I know.

 

[eruby]

Nah no idea who that is . I have been working for a few months and seen that name thrown around a few times . Can you get me hip to the story?

It means I'm exceedingly cynical, and that the previous Maryland attorney general, Brian Frosh, despised, and despises guns, and has had minions join MDS to throw a monkey wrench into our works

I 100% wish you all the best, in all your pro 2A endeavors

 

[Alutacon]

I was at a low point in my life a few years ago and I was homeless . A friend recommended I go to a drug rehab instead of a shelter ( rehab helps with housing and other personal issues ) I've been clean 4 years now and as of August obtain a job was required me to get a wear and carry . I guess my question is will the rehab disqualify me from such license ?

Congrats on your sobriety!!!! Keep it up.

 

[Alutacon]

what is COMAR?

@OP congrats on getting clean! Best of luck

COMAR is the Code of Maryland Regulations. It is a compilation of administrative rules issued by state agencies pursuant to the statutes they are tasked to enforce. The rules have the force of law.

For example, it is the state equivalent of what the ATF just did with the pistol brace rule.

 

[RFBfromDE]

In Maryland, they actually do, and are required to have it and their "guard card" on their person at all time when working.

Thanks for the info.

 

[RFBfromDE]

It means I'm exceedingly cynical, and that the previous Maryland attorney general, Brian Frosh, despised, and despises guns, and has had minions join MDS to throw a monkey wrench into our works

I 100% wish you all the best, in all your pro 2A endeavors

I thought he was also the one that liked to get lit at illegal teen drinking parties he was hosting.

Maybe that was some other corrupt POS.

 

[dblas]

I thought he was also the one that liked to get lit at illegal teen drinking parties he was hosting.

Maybe that was some other corrupt POS.

That was the guy before Frosh, Doug Gansler.

 

[2Amontgomerycounty]

No they can only access if your where admitted to start run mental treatment places. They cant access private medical providers.

You also need to know they cant actually see your records. What they can see is if there is a name and birthdate that matches a record the state health dept keeps and they only have state hospital record.

That's what I keep hearing. But what made me doubt it at first was the waiver we have to sign

 

[scottyfz6]

That's what I keep hearing. But what made me doubt it at first was the waiver we have to sign

I have talked about this before, my father helped write the system that does the search. He was the director of information for the state health dept.
The way it actually works is pretty cool. The SP enters your name and birthday into a system, that system encodes the name and BD and looks for a matching encoding in a data base. The SP cant see any names, or info, all they can do is enter the name and BD. They cant see the DB so they could not decode the info there. edit also the if there is a hit they send more info to the DMH for someone there to look deeper and check it out.
When they where testing it they used test files with 10k fake names and BD's, they did not get a single false hit. So its accurate and pretty secure ( it has to be by fed law )

 

[2Amontgomerycounty]

I have talked about this before, my father helped write the system that does the search. He was the director of information for the state health dept.
The way it actually works is pretty cool. The SP enters your name and birthday into a system, that system encodes the name and BD and looks for a matching encoding in a data base. The SP cant see any names, or info, all they can do is enter the name and BD. They cant see the DB so they could not decode the info there. edit also the if there is a hit they send more info to the DMH for someone there to look deeper and check it out.
When they where testing it they used test files with 10k fake names and BD's, they did not get a single false hit. So its accurate and pretty secure ( it has to be by fed law )

Ahhh yes I remember you saying that forgot what thread it was though lol