MY HQL IS ACTIVE!!!!

[MDFF2008]

The chance of this being overturn in court is slim to none. MOM wins when everyone stops buying hand guns. He has made it more difficult, yes but he's not stopping me.

There is a lot of truth to this. In the end you kind of have to decide.

There is a strong argument to be made for getting an HQL. It prevents a de facto end of handgun sales, giving Omalley what he most likely wants.

There is a strong argument to be made against an HQL. It is an unconsitutional infringement on a right.

 

[montoya32]

Who here has already gotten their HQL number tattooed on their forearm? It will make things go much smoother in the future.

 

[JettaRed]

Maryland Law Requires an 8 day wait, ANYTHING after that is the FFL. You can't blame the Politicians if your FFL will NOT follow the LAW!

(Actually, it requires a 7-day wait.)

Really, how many FFLs did you talk to that said they were "strongly encouraged" to wait until the background checks were completed? Small shops with one or two employees don't need lots of "visits" from the MSP to check their books (or any other reason).

The mere fact that Advisory 1 "continues to encourage all sellers, lessors and transferors to wait until the Maryland State Police completes its investigation, conducts all checks, and approves the sale, lease or transfer of the regulated firearm before releasing or transferring the firearm" in spite of the law is an overreach of their authority. The MSP, by the power of their position, was threatening and coercive in the simple "encouragement".

Why do you think the majority of FFLs were holding regulated firearms for four months?!!! Because they enjoyed the risk and added burden of storing those guns in their safes?



As a federal employee and supervisor, I cannot even ask my employees to make contributions to any good cause as it is perceived to be coercive.

Yes, I do blame and hold accountable those who believe they are above the law.

 

[The sphinx]

What a horrible person I am because I put in a application for the HQL. I will be the poster boy or golden boy for showing everyone that the HQL does not infringe on our rights. I believe it does infringe on our rights. But this is the way it is. It's a lose lose either way. You either apply for HQL and you lose bc you say we should have waited and we show them it does not infringe. Or we don't get it and MOM wins bc we don't buy guns. Lose ****ing lose. Same people complaining are probably the same people who through a fit when you had to sign the DHMH waiver and did that stop you? Did that not also infringe? It appears to me that quite a few people here are doings good job detering people from being involved in the fight. I would think we are all In this together but the some of you prove otherwise. Yes everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you can also do it in a respectful way. Detering people who are new to the forum or got a HQL one would think is a horrible idea. The more people on the forum the better for us all like it or not.

 

[Doobie]

OMalley isn't stopping anyone...everyone is stopping themselves and future generations by falling in line with this crap. As soon as the first one signed up for and received your HQL, you just made it easier for the court to support OMalley and not those of us who support 2a rights and the constitution. You're really no better than the guys who buy every bit of ammo they can find and then horde it. How are you really helping? It's not the 2a/constitution supporters/gun owners you are helping. I'm tired of hearing the crap out of both sides of peoples mouths aka "I'm pro gun/constitution etc " but then turn around and don't vote, or are first in line to make MOM happy.

 

[VikingFan65]

I chose not to count. I'm in denial!

I only spent ~$11k. Now I am a little jealous.

 

[drthv8r]

The grinning taxing socialist Oh-Mau-Li and the HQL. When all the smoke clears the HQL is just another tax signed into law by a taxing socialist. It's a way to bleed more money out of the citizens of maryland, having to get fingerprinted just gets more money from the HQL smoke and mirrors tax. Those that apply for a HQL are paying to get bent over once again by the taxing moron Oh-Mau-Li. Purchase the HQL and support another illegal "new American" with free food, free shelter, and a free phone.

On another sadder note. Why aren't more American's pissed off at that witch nancy pelosi for marching on the mall in DC with all those illegals immigrants (a damn shame the mall was opened for them) while the open air War World ll monument we the tax payers paid for is closed to our Vets?

 

[mtnwisdom]

Hmmm, happy about getting your HQL? Were Jewish people happy when they got their nice, new, Stars of David that they had to pin to their coats?

+1

 

[JettaRed]

(To continue my rant...)

And the MSP had the FFLs by the short hairs. The MSP is the designated representative of the FFL to the FBI, meaning that only the MSP could run the NICS check, and then withheld that information until its background check was completed. So even if the FFL stayed in compliance with Maryland law and held only 7 days, they were still at risk of violating federal laws by releasing without a NICS number.

 

[Brooklyn]

There is a lot of truth to this. In the end you kind of have to decide.

There is a strong argument to be made for getting an HQL. It prevents a de facto end of handgun sales, giving Omalley what he most likely wants.

There is a strong argument to be made against an HQL. It is an unconsitutional infringement on a right.

Ok just because it is unconstitutional does not mean it will be overturned, but it is unconstitutional. Likewise just because it is unconstitutional does not mean you should not comply. Complying does not imply consent.

Now of this holds up in court MOM wins no mater what you do wrt to HQL. I will get the HQL. But I will wait till I can actually afford to buy anything

I am also on furlough--

A defacto ban already exists on all non exempted persons from at least 1 oct until the first HQL is delivered in the hand. We are at 10 days and counting... If the AG is correct the ban is retroactive 8 days prior to 1 Oct 2013 and is at 19 days and counting.


Nothing we do wrt getting or not getting an HQL changes this as a matter of law, but the court may claim it is moot, or ignore it. Of course scotus may establish the level of scrutiny. it may set an upperbond on the wait time...

Even if the HQL is upheld it will be limited as per heller to prevent a defacto ban. In NY it can take 6 mo to get your license and the fees are unconstitutionally high. This case may end all that even if some lic remains. Personally I think the lic will not survive in its present form --a will be weakened to the point that no one will care.. really -- think library card..

It is a great way to force the court to set a standard of review.


So get the Hql or don't its not critical bit its also not a big rush.. JMHO

 

[daggo66]

Maryland Law Requires an 8 day wait, ANYTHING after that is the FFL. You can't blame the Politicians if your FFL will NOT follow the LAW!

As previously noted, it's 7 days. The law states that they "MAY" release after that, not "CAN" and not "REQUIRED." It is your choice which FFL to use. Once some started to release on the 8th day, I made the choice to stop using the FFL that previously handled all of my purchases in favor of one who would release. The new dealer received several $thousand that would have gone to my previous dealer.

 

[JettaRed]

I just had an epiphany! The HQL has nothing to do with making homes and children safer; it's all about revenue. A while ago, the bean counters figured out it was costing a lot more than $10 to do all those fricken checks (17 databases). So, they saw this as an opportunity to increase the fee charged without raising the transfer fee.

Makes me ecstatic to think that they missed the potential revenue on 120K applications!

Makes me sad to think we put $1.2M into the state coffers.

But...better only $1.2M instead of $6M!!!

 

[daggo66]

I don't agree, but I understand those who choose to get an HQL. However I do not agree that it is something to celebrate or be excited about. Anyone who gets one within 30 days of 10/1 will be exhibit A for the defense.

Anyone exempt from training should have waited at least until November before attempting to get one IMO. I'm sure you could have lasted that long without another handgun.

 

[JettaRed]

I'm sure you could have lasted that long without another handgun.

I dunno. I think a new chapter of Guns Anonymous just opened up near me.

 

[garyad]

The HQL doesn't "clear" you to own anything. It only allows you to make a purchase, just like you could do before October 1. There is no guarantee of approval any more than before. All the HQL does is build a database the collects and stores more information about you.


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You are correct. All they are doing is collecting your money and personal info.

 

[Brooklyn]

I don't agree, but I understand those who choose to get an HQL. However I do not agree that it is something to celebrate or be excited about. Anyone who gets one within 30 days of 10/1 will be exhibit A for the defense.

Anyone exempt from training should have waited at least until November before attempting to get one IMO. I'm sure you could have lasted that long without another handgun.

As proof of a 30 day defacto ban on the purchase of a handgun?


If its a ban and its a fundamental right any ban is a ban the timeline does not matter , If is not a ban then the timeline does not matter.

Now what if the court says 30 days and not one day more? --- think 300k applications in one month might make an impact and a point...

And then the training... No this is a side show ... I waited because of practical concerns.


Now what it the state delivers the first HQL in 24 days. On what basis will they ban the next person for the full 30 days?

This game is just starting.. ..

 

[Docster]

I don't agree, but I understand those who choose to get an HQL. However I do not agree that it is something to celebrate or be excited about. Anyone who gets one within 30 days of 10/1 will be exhibit A for the defense.

Anyone exempt from training should have waited at least until November before attempting to get one IMO. I'm sure you could have lasted that long without another handgun.

Couldn't have said it better.....

 

[Mooseman]

I still have to make an appointment to get my fingerprints taken. I will be getting my HQL. If for no other reason than to support my local FFL. His shop is looking like a ghost town lately. If no one gets their HQLs, many small shops will fold and O'Malley wins.

 

[kalister1]

(Actually, it requires a 7-day wait.)

Really, how many FFLs did you talk to that said they were "strongly encouraged" to wait until the background checks were completed? Small shops with one or two employees don't need lots of "visits" from the MSP to check their books (or any other reason).

The mere fact that Advisory 1 "continues to encourage all sellers, lessors and transferors to wait until the Maryland State Police completes its investigation, conducts all checks, and approves the sale, lease or transfer of the regulated firearm before releasing or transferring the firearm" in spite of the law is an overreach of their authority. The MSP, by the power of their position, was threatening and coercive in the simple "encouragement".

Why do you think the majority of FFLs were holding regulated firearms for four months?!!! Because they enjoyed the risk and added burden of storing those guns in their safes?



As a federal employee and supervisor, I cannot even ask my employees to make contributions to any good cause as it is perceived to be coercive.

Yes, I do blame and hold accountable those who believe they are above the law.

OK, you mean the same MSP that say "go get the gun without an HQL"? "We don't care about the law, go ahead and violate it all you want" That MSP that is strong arming the FFL's?

As to why, ?????, the answer changed...

Maryland Law
MSP strong arm
Federal Law
Insurance policy

Pick one ?

 

[hdatontodo]

If no one applied for the HQL, how could we prove it doesn't work end to end?