That sir is all I want people to realize. I'm not saying don't do what you gotta do to make it home that night. I just would hate to see someone killed over bravado, it's not worth it.
100% agree
That sir is all I want people to realize. I'm not saying don't do what you gotta do to make it home that night. I just would hate to see someone killed over bravado, it's not worth it.
To assume that Leo's say if you comply we will kill less trees is absurd. The goal is prevention and preservation of life.
I don't know what department you work for or how many robberies/homicides you have been involved in but paperwork would be the least of any Leo's worries.[/
I dont assume anything. Law Enforcement never advises anyone to resist a robber. They want you to comply and contact the police once the robber has left. No agency would want the liability of advising resistance. I have been a victim of 2 gunpoint robberies. The first one was a 13 year old black kid who stuck a 38 in my face and took a skateboard from me. I was not armed and didn't feel like eating a bullet. The second time my buddy and I was jumped by 8 black guys. One guy hit me in the back of the head with a cane. When I got hit I didn't know we were being jumped so I took two steps forward turned around to punch and had a 357 stuck against my forehead. You may investigate robberies I have been robbed.
Assuming you know the age of the kid he was caught in your first situation?
While that's terrible and I really wish you wouldnt have had to endure that and pray you never endure it again your comment about paperwork I found terribly unnerving. Paperwork is the least of my problems, I think I speak for most Leo's here when I say we want nothing more than to catch these people. I've never said ehhhh let that murderer go I hate paperwork.
A 13 year old with a gun is terribly dangerous as ey don't process consequences like you and I might. I'm glad you were able to endure both instances.
By the time you spot and identify a criminal coming at you you are already at a disadvantage. The criminal who chose you as a target has already made up his mind that you are his victim. Of course I could be replying to Rambo or Chuck Norris and not know it. If you are either I pitty the criminal.
The second time my buddy and I was jumped by 8 black guys. One guy hit me in the back of the head with a cane. When I got hit I didn't know we were being jumped so I took two steps forward turned around to punch and had a 357 stuck against my forehead. You may investigate robberies I have been robbed.
Psychopath:These are the people that come into work and kill everyone in the office because it’s Tuesday. The same guy that walks into McDonalds and kill everyone who ordered Big Mac because his pinky toe told him to do it.
I will concede that if more people were armed maybe they would think twice before robbing someone but to tough talk and chest puff chances are your going to lose.
Gentlemen while I agree the defeatist attitude given off by the police here isn't one your willing to accept but I think your missing the point.
So I just reached into my wallet and I have 39 bucks (I never carry cash either). Is your life worth your 39 bucks, a pizza, and some delivery money that isn't even yours?
I know it's fun to play make believe, "oh I'd get the drop on that thug and kill him dead before he knew what hit him" but, and hate to be the bad news giver, chances are you wouldn't. In 99% of robberies the victim is unharmed (wanna know how I know? Ohhhhh maybe a year on a robbery suppression team). The criminals don't want to hurt you they want your stuff but if you spook a guy with a gun generally bad things happen........ask me how I know?
I will concede that if more people were armed maybe they would think twice before robbing someone but to tough talk and chest puff chances are your going to lose. It may be a hi-point filled with blazer but I for sure don't want to be on the working end.
Just asking you to think before acting.
Interesting. And you most certainly correct that you are not going to get the drop on a thug pointing a gun at your head. Anyone with an ounce of sense isn't going to try. You mention 99%, but I am wondering if there are hard statistics on the number of robbery victims who are left unharmed, vs the ones who are harmed. And, of course, there is the question of just how do you know whether you will be harmed at the time. For example, a colleague of mine was actually chased and then stabbed (and nearly died with the knive wound to the chest) before being robbed. A CCW pistol would have certainly saved him. Similarly, if any of the Starbucks employees had been armed a few years ago, they might still be alive. So, how do you know at the time whether the perp. is going to do after robbing you? Some of these guys are just sick and get their kicks from hurting people.
If i could answer that question id be a billionaire. I wish i could provide you all that answer of when to know u were going to be harmed. Theres always going to be the outliers where citizens get killed, and I pray its none of u. Just speaking from experience most only want ur stuff.
I accept that as most certainly true. You can understand, however, that I just may not want to trust my life and limb to the odds that he isn't one of the sickos who also enjoys doing harm. As the vice mayor suggested the other day, I may heal and it is only money. Or I also may be dead.
Gentlemen while I agree the defeatist attitude given off by the police here isn't one your willing to accept but I think your missing the point.
So I just reached into my wallet and I have 39 bucks (I never carry cash either). Is your life worth your 39 bucks, a pizza, and some delivery money that isn't even yours?
I know it's fun to play make believe, "oh I'd get the drop on that thug and kill him dead before he knew what hit him" but, and hate to be the bad news giver, chances are you wouldn't. In 99% of robberies the victim is unharmed (wanna know how I know? Ohhhhh maybe a year on a robbery suppression team). The criminals don't want to hurt you they want your stuff but if you spook a guy with a gun generally bad things happen........ask me how I know?
I will concede that if more people were armed maybe they would think twice before robbing someone but to tough talk and chest puff chances are your going to lose. It may be a hi-point filled with blazer but I for sure don't want to be on the working end.
Just asking you to think before acting.
this logic can be used for many different crimes. how about rape? "Hey, the guy just wants to bang and not kill you." Or, "hey, he just wants to break into your house and steal your dog and Tv. Is your life worth the family dog and TV?"
I don't want to play these games. I don't want to have to guess if this criminal is having a really bad day or holding a gun with no bullets. There are PLENTY of assualts that prove enough to me that people physically hurt others.
JUST COMPLY APPLIES TO NEARLY EVERY CRIME EXCEPT MAYBE ATTEMPTED MURDER AND EVEN THEN IT MAY APPLY.
Not in the society I want to live in.
Yes sir and i completly understand the sentiment in this thread. I just dont think most people here understand the complexity of the situation as it unfolds. Again I agree an armed society would be a deterrent. Ill also say that id never advise anyone not to do what they deemed necessary to make it home to their family.
Its a tough situation with a judgement call only the victim can make. The only thing im really advocating is thinking before acting on bravado can save ur life
Leos are open to public suggestions on how to solve the problem.
On that, we are entirely in agreement! Bravado is damn dumb. Run (to safety) if you can. But you can't out run a round and most of these perps are a lot younger than moi so they can probably out run me, even with a knife, as my poor colleague found out to his near demise in upper NW DC. Best advice is situational awareness and stay the hell out of places and circumstances that may pose the risk. But that won't necessarily save you either. I have been threatened and assaulted at night by 3 guys just outside the FBI building walking to the metro -- I didn't get hurt but only because I was able to run a short distance back to DOJ whose entrances are well guarded with armed might. A DOJ employee was knifed a few years during a robbery at the Archives station. And those Starbucks employees, IIRC, were in Georgetown (which isn't soo safe anymore). The only other alternative to hundle in fear in your home (a crappy way to live), but are not home invasions in DC also on the rise along with other robberies? And what is the incidence of bodily harm associated with home invasions of an occupied residence? Until Heller, you couldn't even arm yourself in your home and DC still makes that very difficult.
Armed home invastions are not on the rise here. They are actualy quite infrequent in this area or D.C. in general. Our robberies are on the rise for sure but most robberies in the area are actually unarmed. It's 3-4 kids who assault 1-2 victims and take stuff rom their pockets. Generally its juveniles and 18 yr olds and they are completly unarmed. In D.C. it's called robbery force and violence and thats whats really on the rise in D.C. robbery wise.
I am delighted that home invasions are infrequent. It is not my understanding that they are actually rare. But accepting that, how many of the unarmed robberies result in harm to the victim? 3-4 kids can inflict a tremendous amount of harm with just fists and boots. Is your advice not to resist even the unarmed kids because the odds are that they just want your property? I am trained in unarmed hand to hand combat. If I used those skills on unarmed "kids," I could do a lot of damage, but alas, the law is such that I could be arrested if I did. That's assuming that one of them doesn't also have a knife -- if they do, I would most certainly get cut and you just don't know. So, should a victim just give in and trust to God? What is your advice? I work in DC so your professional opinion would be most valuable to me.