I don't understand concept of more ar15 uppers than lowers?

[thai]

When people bring up the idea of purchasing more lowers, people always chime in with having more uppers makes more sense. I don't understand the logic in this line of thinking.

On October 1st ar15 are no longer legal to purchase. You can buy all the uppers you want. Lowers will be banned. People are stocking up on lowers because that will be the determining factor. Want purchase more lowers to build complete rifles later.

Why would yoh want to accumulate more uppers than lowers? It really doesn't make sense if you only have 3 lowers and 6 or more uppers. What would happen should a lower breaks for some unfortunate reason?

You can get 5 to 10 lowers for a single upper. With the potential to build every single one. At this point in time it would be bad economy and poor logic to stock up on uppers while you only have 3 lowers. Or to have 2 or three more uppers than you have lowers.

So what have I missed on the reasoning of having more uppers than lowers right not with the impending law looming?

 

[Straightshooter]

Reasoning begin you only need one lower. Any upper will fit that lower. No one is saying to stock up on uppers, just that the money would be better spent on purchasing a variety of uppers whether it's now or latter.

 

[hvymax]

You can make multiple configurations on one lower. Kind of like having multiple slides for the different classes for IPSC or IDPA.

 

[Boom Boom]

I agree that now is a bad time to stock up on uppers. Money is best spent on some spare lowers until Oct 1st. Only owning one lower is an epic fail after Oct 1st if the lower receiver ever fails.

 

[Goose Guy]

I agree that now is a bad time to stock up on uppers. Money is best spent on some spare lowers until Oct 1st. Only owning one lower is an epic fail after Oct 1st if the lower receiver ever fails.

Dammit, stop confusing me! Here I was thinking I was all ready to look at something else, too. Well, if I put that off for a week or two, then....

 

[damosan]

Aren't HBARs still legal after October?

D.

 

[rmiddle]

Aren't HBARs still legal after October?

D.

Yes but you can't legally swap uppers. So the gun will be locked into the HBAR config forever.

Thanks
Robert

 

[gabe72]

Yhea right,nsa and mom will be looking into your basement window to see u put an m4 upper on that lower.

 

[j8064]

Yes but you can't legally swap uppers. So the gun will be locked into the HBAR config forever.

Thanks
Robert

Darn, since it'll be locked that means I won't be able to take the HBAR upper off it's lower to clean everything.

 

[Robert1955]

Yes but you can't legally swap uppers. So the gun will be locked into the HBAR config forever.

Says what? Once you have a lower I don't see where it says you can't swap a different upper on to it. Uppers are not regulated as they are not considered the firearm.

 

[teratos]

Says what? Once you have a lower I don't see where it says you can't swap a different upper on to it. Uppers are not regulated as they are not considered the firearm.

If you purchase an HBAR after October 1, as they will still be legal, you MAY NOT put a different upper on it. You will be creating a firearm whose configuration is banned. Otherwise the ban would not be a big issue. You could just buy and HBAR and put whatever upper you want on it.

 

[Pinecone]

Different for long term strategy versus short term.

NOW, stock up on lowers.

Over the next several years, stock up on uppers.

But personally, I want complete guns. Half a gun is of little use.

 

[hvymax]

Says what? Once you have a lower I don't see where it says you can't swap a different upper on to it. Uppers are not regulated as they are not considered the firearm.

After Oct 1st you would be manufacturing a banned firearm.

 

[MikeTF]

Is all of this debate academic? How on earth is MSP going to enforce this law? We learned during SB281 that they have been unable to enforce straw purchases, yet have wasted a lot of taxpayer money on 'voluntary registration' and can't even obey the 7 day 'cooling off period' release law. Are people now fearful that they are going to have to bring their gun and their registration paperwork to the range?

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[hvymax]

Putting together parts is worlds apart from making/manufacturing said parts.

Manufacturing a banned firearm from the parts. How will they enforce it? Maybe arrest/confiscate em all and let a judge sort it out.

 

[Robert1955]

Putting together parts is worlds apart from making/manufacturing said parts.

This above, and since HBARS are cash and carry today, and after Oct 1st still are and Uppers are not regulated how in the hell is anyone going to prove when or how you assembled a rifle? Not all AR's sold today as HBARS are marked on the receiver. Man this State is really F'd up.

 

[RRHemi]

After Oct 1st you would be manufacturing a banned firearm.

I have tried several times to find in SB281 where manufacturing is called out and have not been able to. I see no mention of manufacturing or assembling in fact.

I intend to build my lowers when and as I please, they were purchased legally after all.

 

[PowPow]

Different for long term strategy versus short term.

NOW, stock up on lowers.

Over the next several years, stock up on uppers.

But personally, I want complete guns. Half a gun is of little use.

+1

 

[TxAggie]

I have tried several times to find in SB281 where manufacturing is called out and have not been able to. I see no mention of manufacturing or assembling in fact.

I intend to build my lowers when and as I please, they were purchased legally after all.

It's there and is addressed.......for magazines. No mention of "Manufacture" for firearms which is why there are multiple thread debates on 80% lowers.

As per not being able to change the upper on a post 10/1 HBAR, that serial # will be listed as a 5.56 HBAR, which is where you will run into difficulty.

However, lowers purchased prior to 10/1 are listed as "Multi caliber" so y'all are correct, they have no idea what caliber you are putting on it, hence the current train of thought of buying all the lowers you can now, then post 10/1 adding in multiple uppers for different calibers/barrel lengths.

 

[thai]

Different for long term strategy versus short term.

NOW, stock up on lowers.

Over the next several years, stock up on uppers.

But personally, I want complete guns. Half a gun is of little use.

That is the reasoning that I ascribe to exactly! I only want my guns completely built. With all the perfect parts for that specifi upper mated to the specific lower. With the desired trigger, stock, grips, bcg, sights, optics, etc. Once built I don't go screwing around with it. I rarely remove the upper from the lower when cleaning.

When SHTF, I will not be screwing with swapping uppers and lowers. All my firearms are reading to rock.

Regarding purchasing HBars after the ban. Why buy an Hbar for $1200+ just so you swap an illegal upper to it later and playing with fire in taking it to the range to test and sight in? You can purchase lowers now for just a couple hundred and avoid all the legal ********!