I agree with Obama for once....its time to do something

[jpk1md]

I guess your plan will fix everything without spending any money, please give me your great plan that would work better?

Actually exercising personal responsibility in this case costs taxpayers exactly nada

CCW is a choice...in most states

 

[Mr H]

One thing to remember about the GFSZ is that a CCW issued in that state makes you exempt from the Federal GFSZ. However, I'm not aware of any states that exempt their permit holders from carrying on school grounds, and you will be charged under state statutes.
Add in the fact that teachers(the people who are there the most) will be fired if they carry on the job. Their unions will protect them for being crappy teachers but not for trying to protect themselves.

Oddly, I just looked it up and CA CCWs are not prohibited from carrying on school grounds. Anyone know of any others???

Criminals are exempt, also.

 

[Hyp81]

Institute a training program like they have for pilots. You only need a few armed teachers.

I am a high school teacher in Baltimore County. I taught for four years at Perry Hall HS before transferring to another HS in the county closer to my home. I am also a graduate of Virginia Tech. Two of my friends died at Virginia Tech on April 16, 2007-- one investigating a noise in his dormitory that turned out to be the shooter, and one on the floor of her German classroom. I would give anything to turn back time and have just a few armed and well-trained citizens on hand those two days. It could make the story a lot different.

Given my history with school shootings in places I have lived and worked the whole "it'll never happen to me" belief is not one I hold. I WANT THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MYSELF AND MY STUDENTS.

If someone comes into MY classroom intent on harming me or my students, I should not have to depend on an external force-- the police-- to come and rescue me, I should have the means and ability to do it myself.

At this point I am seriously considering taking unarmed combat training classes and keeping a baseball bat in my storage room (which is where we retreat to when we have a lockdown). If some SOB wants to come a knocking on my room, I am going to do my best to hurt him/her. I may die in the process... but at the very least I want to make the bastard work, and possibly slow them down in the process. I am so, so sick of feeling scared and helpless about this stuff.

 

[John81]

Actually exercising personal responsibility in this case costs taxpayers exactly nada

CCW is a choice...in most states

Ccw permit gives no training that I would want my child to be around at school. Maybe you don't care about your kids life with no training required to get a ccw but that's your choice. Be sure to open your school so I know which school not to let my child attend

 

[Skins_Brew]

I agree with you but I forsee the opposite happening. AWB v2.0 is coming....soon.

 

[jpk1md]

Ccw permit gives no training that I would want my child to be around at school. Maybe you don't care about your kids life with no training required to get a ccw but that's your choice. Be sure to open your school so I know which school not to let my child attend

Hate to break it to you but lots of states have no CCW training requirement and you don't see people dying on the streets.

NH for example has no training requirement and the ONLY place you're not allowed to carry is a Courtroom according to state law.

Citizens in NH carry in our Capitol, Police Stations, Malls, Restaurants, Churches, Gas Stations and everywhere else your closed mind can imagine without problems so just think about it for a minute....

How rational is it for someone like you to proclaim that we need "special training" to carry at a school in order to be around YOUR children but you have no problem with your kids going everywhere else and those people not having the same training thats magically required to carry at a school

Your argument is at BEST shortsighted and at worst completely fvcking retarded

Lets not forget who's "qualified" to carry



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6UvNgbqIA

May I suggest you go back to the Huffington Post now?

 

[MDFF2008]

Jpk1md is right. I have numbers when I get home on how safe ccw really is.

 

[John81]

Hate to break it to you but lots of states have no CCW training requirement and you don't see people dying on the streets.

NH for example has no training requirement and the ONLY place you're not allowed to carry is a Courtroom according to state law.

Citizens in NH carry in our Capitol, Police Stations, Malls, Restaurants, Churches, Gas Stations and everywhere else your closed mind can imagine without problems so just think about it for a minute....

How rational is it for someone like you to proclaim that we need "special training" to carry at a school in order to be around YOUR children but you have no problem with your kids going everywhere else and those people not having the same training thats magically required to carry at a school

Your argument is at BEST shortsighted and at worst completely fvcking retarded

Lets not forget who's "qualified" to carry

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6UvNgbqIA">YouTube Link</a>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6UvNgbqIA

May I suggest you go back to the Huffington Post now?

I've never agreed with the ccw application you going out and shooting paper targets is not training enough to be around my kids or protecting them. Maybe you trust a person with a piece of paper to protect your child with no specialized training but I don't so take your retarder and ignorant views and stick them where the sun don't shine IMHO

 

[teratos]

I've never agreed with the ccw application you going out and shooting paper targets is not training enough to be around my kids or protecting them. Maybe you trust a person with a piece of paper to protect your child with no specialized training but I don't so take your retarder and ignorant views and stick them where the sun don't shine IMHO

Agreed. Drawing and retention are underrated by many. Training to shoot threats and avoiding innocents would be important training if you were to carry in a school.

 

[press1280]

I'll take a few ill trained CCWers on the scene over highly trained cops 10 minutes away any day.

 

[Lightning]

IMO there should be at least one cop at every school. With this casino project coming soon I don't see where there could be any funding issues with doing this if they use the revenue properly in md

At the present time there are not enough police, firefighters, or paramedics in many jurisdictions across the state and country for that matter now. It is not fiscally responsible to suggest such a program when more are needed to meet national standards in regular patrol areas. The casino is not a saving grace or a sustainable funding source. As time goes on you will see this money dry up or be stolen by the politicos to use in other places.
A more realistic solution would be a program like the one implemented for pilots after 9/11… Cops in every school is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction. I guess you’ll want some form of gun control or mag restrictions next…
JMHO

 

[Hyp81]

Agreed. Drawing and retention are underrated by many. Training to shoot threats and avoiding innocents would be important training if you were to carry in a school.

Okay. SO TEACH US. I would be FINE with requiring similar classes and even periodic mental health evaluations as a condition for concealed carry in schools and other areas. Why? Because I want to be able to defend myself and the students I care about. It's worth putting in the time. And if it makes even one @$$hole think twice about shooting up a school... isn't it worth it?

I'm not saying that I know as much about handling a handgun in defensive situations or to stop a shooter as a police officer does.

But I'm telling you what... the story going around about that student teacher who told the gunman in CT that her students were at the gym? Instead of chatting with the guy, she could have ended the situation then and there if she was carrying concealed.

 

[LadySmith]

IMO there should be at least one cop at every school. With this casino project coming soon I don't see where there could be any funding issues with doing this if they use the revenue properly in md

Please give me some of that kool aid. Do you really believe the our current "leadership" will keep their word and give money back to the communities and schools? I hope you are right and will eagerly apologize if you are. Meet me back here in one year and we'll discuss how much better off our schools are. And let me know if you plan to bring a gun so I can hold up a "gun free zone" sign to protect myself.

 

[psucobra96]

Maybe training select teachers how to alt least use bear mace or tazers is an option, non-lethal but effective.

 

[3/2ACR Vet]

I've never agreed with the ccw application you going out and shooting paper targets is not training enough to be around my kids or protecting them. Maybe you trust a person with a piece of paper to protect your child with no specialized training but I don't so take your retarder and ignorant views and stick them where the sun don't shine IMHO

Last time I checked, police only train by shooting at paper targets. Unless they are special detail or use their own time for special training, they are no more or less trained than anyone who actively uses their firearms.

Just because they are police does not grant them special marksmanship powers, nor bullets that magically avoid hitting children and bystanders.

So really, should you also not want police around your children?

 

[3/2ACR Vet]

Maybe training select teachers how to alt least use bear mace or tazers is an option, non-lethal but effective.

Depending on the person, tasers and chemical agents may not be effective.

 

[MDFF2008]

Last time I checked, police only train by shooting at paper targets. Unless they are special detail or use their own time for special training, they are no more or less trained than anyone who actively uses their firearms.

Just because they are police does not grant them special marksmanship powers, nor bullets that magically avoid hitting children and bystanders.

So really, should you also not want police around your children?

John81, this is pretty much how police train. Paper targets. Now they do some scenario stuff where they don't just shoot down a line, but they don't really shoot at each other or anything.

I think what your saying is you want them to undergo scenario based training for schools.

I think this is reasonable, especially as employees of the school.

 

[iobidder]

John81, this is pretty much how police train. Paper targets. Now they do some scenario stuff where they don't just shoot down a line, but they don't really shoot at each other or anything.

I think what your saying is you want them to undergo scenario based training for schools.

I think this is reasonable, especially as employees of the school.

You really watered that down. You'd be amazed on how much situational based training is used for many different types of scenarios. Paint and live fire.

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[SirMrManGuy]

Most of us whether liberal, conservative or libertarian all want the same thing....to live in peace.

Israel for many decades attempted to thwart terrorism by putting more and more police/military on the streets and in public places.

Not only didn't it work but it was phenomenally expensive to try to be everywhere at all times.....and pay people to do it.

A terrorist/evil person will just wait until the officer gets off the bus or walks away on patrol before they attempt to do evil

Our Local/State/Federal Governments are trying this same approach by putting more and more police/suveillance/drones on the job and not only doesn't it work but its BANKRUPTING us.

The solution that Israel has adopted that WORKS is to encourage Citizens to carry concealed.

Citizens are everywhere at all times.....armed citizens are the ONLY solution.

I agree with you about CC being the way to go to protect the public but you might want to check up on how Israeli gun laws work, they are very strict. It's almost impossible to collect and recreationally use firearms there. Basically you can only get a firearms license (license to own and carry is the same thing) if you are honorably discharged from the military and reached a certain rank, are a bus driver, security guard or certain other professions, and you can only own one handgun. Active soldiers are allowed to carry their duty rifle pretty much anywhere. If you were referring to them arming West Bank settlers, the rifle and ammunition is the property of the army and can be confiscated at any time. Pretty much all their private firearms are registered and tracked.

 

[StanleyG]

This sounds like a better alternative : more and better trained CCW holders. Anti gun advocates will get tighter restrictions, mental health checks, pereodic re-certification exams, mandatory situational training . And pro gun folks will see arbitrary and ineffective rules lifted, and wider ccw access.

P.s in Israel there is compulsary military service so most people have the basics drilled into their heads.