How is this constitutional?

[bulletbill]

I understand it's the Air Forces' property but how can they "raid" a gun shop owned by a US citizen on US soil? Aren't there "certain provisions" under the constitution that prevent the military from performing police actions on US soil?

http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/128140053.html

 

[Inigoes]

The AF was recovering stolen property. Just so happens it was at a gun shop. There were plenty of alphabet agencies (FBI,ATF,ICE) executing the search warrant.

 

[boatbod]

Optics aren't guns, but they sure as heck could be stolen from the military and turn up in a gun store. Not saying that's what it was, but something like that would get the alphabet agencies all worked up.

 

[Inigoes]

Optics aren't guns, but they sure as heck could be stolen from the military and turn up in a gun store. Not saying that's what it was, but something like that would get the alphabet agencies all worked up.

The article has me wondering, if they were following up leads on those stolen AKs from a post in CA...

 

[Rattlesnake46319]

The article has me wondering, if they were following up leads on those stolen AKs from a post in CA...

Could be. Irwin ain't all that far from Vegas.

 

[MDFF2008]

Must have been something interesting. Nellis Operations Area includes Area 51.

 

[Homesteader]

I understand it's the Air Forces' property but how can they "raid" a gun shop owned by a US citizen on US soil? Aren't there "certain provisions" under the constitution that prevent the military from performing police actions on US soil?

http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/128140053.html

To your last question, it was called the Posse Comitatus Act but that was repealed in 2007/08 and the Insurrection Act was amended to allow deployment of troops for natural disasters, terrorist attacks, false flags, etc.

 

[mikec]

The AF was recovering stolen property. Just so happens it was at a gun shop. There were plenty of alphabet agencies (FBI,ATF,ICE) executing the search warrant.

So, would this be like the US Navy's NCIS or the Army's CID working with various Federal or local law enforcement agencies?

 

[pilotguy]

The article has me wondering, if they were following up leads on those stolen AKs from a post in CA...

"It did not include weapons, guns, explosives of any kind, bombs, nothing like that. It was basic stolen military property," says Card.

Plus OSI does not investigate Army issues, that would be CID.

 

[MDFF2008]

It was the flux capacitor from Roswell.

 

[jrumann59]

To your last question, it was called the Posse Comitatus Act but that was repealed in 2007/08 and the Insurrection Act was amended to allow deployment of troops for natural disasters, terrorist attacks, false flags, etc.

Yeah while everyone was focused on the Boobs running for president this got rolled through pretty much unnoticed.

 

[SRTMO]

Army CID, Air Force OSI, & Navy NCIS are all Special Agents of the federal government. They're classification is no different than a Special Agent from the FBI, ATF, DEA, etc. If it invloves the military, they have authority to investigate on or off post.

 

[Patrick]

Apparently no guns were harmed (or involved) in this "raid".

Idiot airmen from Nellis were selling AF property through the shop. When robbers are present, the cops are free to follow. They had warrants and multiple agencies were involved, including local PD.

Also, SRTMO has it right: AF OSI is free to roam about the country. They are federally charged with criminal investigations anywhere. Criminal investigation does not equal "military action". But even so, they work with other agencies. N.B.: I know someone who used to do this with the Army. They viewed themselves as cops more than soldiers.


EDIT: The Posse Comitatus Act is not in the constitution; it is a federal law. Nothing in the constitution prevents the standing army from taking law-enforcement roles. All it takes is an act of Congress or a Presidential directive under the insurrection act. Or...use of certain exceptions afforded the Special Operations Command for "support purposes."

 

[zoostation]

As it says in the article, local and federal law enforcement agencies served warrants there. It wasn't an Air Force "raid," that was just a poor job of writing by the reporter.

 

[Trapper]

As it says in the article, local and federal law enforcement agencies served warrants there. It wasn't an Air Force "raid," that was just a poor job of writing by the reporter.

Say it ain't so!!! A "reporter" didn't make the facts clear???!!! No freaking way....

 

[shawn]

So, would this be like the US Navy's NCIS or the Army's CID working with various Federal or local law enforcement agencies?

All of NCIS is a civillian agency.

Every NCIS special Agent is a Civillian 1811 series. Just like the FBI so posse Comitatus doesnt apply to NCIS special agents. But they also have jurisdiction over U.S. Navy members.

CID is a different animal and I am not exactly how they are organized.

Air Force OSI is a mix of Civillian Special Agents and Military special agents.

 

[shawn]

Army CID, Air Force OSI, & Navy NCIS are all Special Agents of the federal government. They're classification is no different than a Special Agent from the FBI, ATF, DEA, etc. If it invloves the military, they have authority to investigate on or off post.

The rules on what they can and can not investigate vary by each agency.

CID is not like OSI and NCIS in not like OSI or CID.

 

[shawn]

Apparently no guns were harmed (or involved) in this "raid".

Idiot airmen from Nellis were selling AF property through the shop. When robbers are present, the cops are free to follow. They had warrants and multiple agencies were involved, including local PD.

Also, SRTMO has it right: AF OSI is free to roam about the country. They are federally charged with criminal investigations anywhere. Criminal investigation does not equal "military action". But even so, they work with other agencies. N.B.: I know someone who used to do this with the Army. They viewed themselves as cops more than soldiers.


EDIT: The Posse Comitatus Act is not in the constitution; it is a federal law. Nothing in the constitution prevents the standing army from taking law-enforcement roles. All it takes is an act of Congress or a Presidential directive under the insurrection act. Or...use of certain exceptions afforded the Special Operations Command for "support purposes."

Exactly.

The article said that Air Force OSI led the raid. ATF. FBI and ICE were there also but they didnt really need to be.

If it is a criminal matter off base then the Civillian Special Agents of OSI could have done the raid all by themselves without FBI, ATF or ICE.

NCIS and OSI are considered Federal Law Enforcement.