Gabby Giffords wants better background checks

[Ab_Normal]

My proposal

Buyer goes online and fills out a form (or mails form in). Buyer receives print out with a phone number and ID number on it.

Buyer hands paper and ID to seller.

Seller calls number, enters ID number from paper, phone verifies paper is legit.

No way. Then they still have all your info.

They should only be getting and keeping info on convicted (violent only?) criminals NOT law abiding people. It isn't hard to grasp.

 

[MigraineMan]

I wouldn't trust a buyer handing me a piece of paper. For all I know, he printed that up himself, and the listed "confirmation" phone number rings his brother's disposable cell phone.

At some point, the potential buyer is going to need to be identified. However, the only answer I'm looking for from the NICS folks is "prohibited" or "not prohibited." They don't need to know what I'm selling. They don't need to know if the transaction is completed.

The website listing is a possibility, but would need to include some kind of date-traceable confirmation. Unfortunately, there are enough non-computer-types in the world that the 800-number would be a necessity as well. (My folks would never be able to deal with an online check procedure.)

 

[Simon Yu]

My proposal

Buyer goes online and fills out a form (or mails form in). Buyer receives print out with a phone number and ID number on it.

Buyer hands paper and ID to seller.

Seller calls number, enters ID number from paper, phone verifies paper is legit.

This reminds me of how Verisign gets used to authenticate that a website is who it says it is. And as another poster alluded to, it's not terribly secure as evidenced by a number of cases of fraudulent digital certificates being obtained.

It's very, very easy to set up a blacklist of people that can't be legally sold to that can be queried and only return an approved or disapproved result. It's dealing with all the potential for fraud, identity theft, and misuse of personal information that's a pain. The kind of safeguards and disposal guidelines in place for Protected Health Information may well be necessary (a lot more people than your doctor see your health information and it is a violation of federal law to share that information outside of a closed network of people).

 

[Sportstud4891]

I think it should be system that simply states yes or no. Where you type in someone's name (and maybe zip code or whatever) and then the system simply says yes this person can own a firearm or no they cannot. That should be it.

 

[teratos]

I think it should be system that simply states yes or no. Where you type in someone's name (and maybe zip code or whatever) and then the system simply says yes this person can own a firearm or no they cannot. That should be it.

That'd be fine. Make all of the criminal databases across the Country talk to each other. You could do a good search in a couple of seconds. No data stored, no disclosure of what you bought.

 

[EL1227]

One obvious background check that failed ...

Mark Kelly's 'AR-15 Stunt' Provokes Giffords Photo Leak

What's Wrong With This Picture?

One commenter noted:

Am I to understand that Kelly supposedly purchased a similar AR-15 on 6 march, 2013 'for his wife'? Gabby Giffords is currently and obviously mentally impaired due to partial lobotomy. Pursuant to 18USC, Gun Control Act of 1968, she is defacto a 'prohibited person' (who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution). While she may not have yet been so declared... neither had Jared Loughner (who shot her). So much for Mark Kelly's rant on 'background checks'. There's no way this woman could now handle a gun... any gun. Does Kelly intend to retain 'their' current fireams within the common household where 'Gabby' may have access?

Of course, they're claiming that it's an old photo that has been cropped.

 

[Markp]

Happy Thursday!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-usa-guns-giffords-idUSBRE92600P20130307


What number can I call to do a NICS check for a private sale?

And, why don't some states (like Maryland) participate in contributing information to NICS?

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=hb0663&stab=01&ys=2013RS

Tom

Dear Gabby,

I want better politicians... we can't always get what we want, especially when it violates the principles of the constitution.

Mark

PS - Many suggest it is important to restrict the voting rights of mentally ill/handicapped/brain injured, as well as firearms without due process... then those who "can't be trusted to think for themselves" can be totally defenseless and wards of the state. Welcome to that club, Gabby.

 

[Furious George]

Dear Gabby,

I want better politicians... we can't always get what we want, especially when it violates the principles of the constitution.

Mark

PS - Many suggest it is important to restrict the voting rights of mentally ill/handicapped/brain injured, as well as firearms without due process... then those who "can't be trusted to think for themselves" can be totally defenseless and wards of the state. Welcome to that club, Gabby.

PPS - How's the Rocket Man liking his new AR?

 

[rnfjr6950]

Mark Kelly doesn't want you to see this!

Happy Thursday!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-usa-guns-giffords-idUSBRE92600P20130307


What number can I call to do a NICS check for a private sale?

And, why don't some states (like Maryland) participate in contributing information to NICS?

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=hb0663&stab=01&ys=2013RS

Tom

Looks like Mrs. Gifford forgot this photo session: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/03/mar...vokes-giffords-gun-photos-leak/#axzz2NZoqiCiJ

 

[beafly.cakes]

An 800 number that allows a citizen to do a background check for a private citizen is a good idea in my humble opinion.

How's this for a process:

Buyer hands seller his/her Driver's License / State ID Card
Seller visually inspects and matches photo to buyer
Both buyer and seller call 800 number.
Seller initiates a new sale, recieves a transaction number and writes it down and gives to buyer.
Seller keys in Drivers's License / State ID Card number of buyer
Buyer keys in the transaction number
Buyer keys in his SSN
System run check and responds to seller with yes/no

 

[beafly.cakes]

An 800 number that allows a citizen to do a background check for a private citizen is a good idea in my humble opinion.

How's this for a process:

Buyer hands seller his/her Driver's License / State ID Card
Seller visually inspects and matches photo to buyer
Both buyer and seller call 800 number.
Seller initiates a new sale, recieves a transaction number and writes it down and gives to buyer.
Seller keys in Drivers's License / State ID Card number of buyer
Buyer keys in the transaction number
Buyer keys in his SSN
System run check and responds to seller with yes/no

I just realized... that the above process could be conducted prior to meeting for sale of the firearm so the seller knows it's not going to end badly. Then the selller just needs to inspect the buyer's ID to validate that the photo matches the buyer and that the ID number they used for the check matches the ID.

 

[dist1646]

Hmmm, If any citizen could do a simple background check to determine whether or not a purchaser is legal, wouldn't that reduce the need for FFL's ?

 

[SpringChicken]

Would it work if we just held people 100% responsible for selling a firearm to a prohibited person, and let the free market sort it out? If you perform a criminal/prohibited records check in good faith (either through an FFL, the state police, or some yet-to-be-established 800 number) then you are absolved of your liability. Then a demand develops for the service of records checks, and business owners (FFLs?) or entrepeneurs can petition the government for access to those records for the purpose of approving firearms sales and can charge a competitive rate for the service.

Otherwise, if the person turns out to be prohibited and a record exists, you go to federal pound-you-in-the-a prison. Or, if they are prohibited and you sell to them, you are complicit in whatever crime they commit with that firearm.

I know we're loathe to hold people responsible for their actions these days, but would a system like this work? What are the holes? (honest questions for open discussion - not trolling or being snarky)

 

[pcfixer]

Giffords is just perpetuating the meme that Bloomberg and MAIG started a LONG TIME AGO ... long before Sandy Hook.

Universal background checks are the "end game" that will eventually lead to universal registration because they don't address the problem, but sound good on the evening news. Poll tested and digested.

From RealNews.com

Gun control means culture creep ... By attacking "Assault Weapons", we'll settle for universal background checks because it's the least invasive.
http://media.gbtv.com/open/gbtv/2013...5427_1200K.mp4

Background checks are the politically safe thing ... for WHOM ?
http://media.gbtv.com/open/gbtv/2013...6025_1200K.mp4​

STAND and FIGHT !!!

universal background checks is another word for gun registration of all legal gun owners.

 

[Schwabe]

Don't do as I do, do as I SAY ....

 

[EL1227]

But, but, but ...

universal background checks is another word for gun registration of all legal gun owners.

Sen. John McLame is in favor of 'expanded' background checks ...

McCain emerges as key senator in expanding background checks

On Thursday, Reid said he would include the background-checks legislation approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee last week on a party-line vote. That provision will likely not garner 60 votes, but Schumer and other gun-control advocates hope Republicans can be found in the next few weeks to support a bipartisan alternative to expand background checks.

But, McLame is being non-committal, but with Manchin doing the arm-twisting you know how that will go.

Manchin said he is shopping the proposal widely, but declined Friday to reveal his lobbying list.

“Anybody and every one of them. I’m talking to everybody,” he said when asked to identify targeted Republican senators.

McCain said he has discussed extended background checks, but declined to reveal any details from those talks.

“We’ve had discussions about the issue,” said McCain. “I never describe my discussions with other senators.”

SLAM THEM ... NOW !!! Especially our WVA members. Manchin and McCain have got to go.