Executive Action attempt at bullet ban.

[LeadSled1]

Calling the rounds used in Dallas as armor piercing, and the usual know nothing about how standard rifle rounds work.


Video
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/biden-on-ending-sale-of-armor-piercing-bullets

Story
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vice-pr...le-of-armor-piercing-bullets-dallas-shooting/

 

[Inigoes]

That would mean any rifle round!

Level IIIa is only supposed to be resistant to handgun rounds. Level IV is for rifle rounds up to .308

 

[HappyCamper]

AP rounds are a necessity for the resistance of tyranny.

 

[AssMan]

He used 7n6 according to the article I posted in the other thread. Already banned.

 

[jcutonilli]

That would mean any rifle round!

Level IIIa is only supposed to be resistant to handgun rounds. Level IV is for rifle rounds up to .308

It would depend on how you define armor piercing. M80 308 does not pierce Level III armor, and Level IV is resistant to 3006 M2 AP. Of course if you define armor piercing as anything that defeats level I armor almost any round can be considered armor piercing.

 

[ComeGet]

Looks like something else to add to the near-term shopping list.

 

[souprcampbell]

It would depend on how you define armor piercing. M80 308 does not pierce Level III armor, and Level IV is resistant to 3006 M2 AP. Of course if you define armor piercing as anything that defeats level I armor almost any round can be considered armor piercing.

There is a difference in NIJ standards for soft armor and plates. The officers that were murdered were wearing typical concealed soft armor. Most any center fire rifle round will penetrate most any soft armor.

In regards to what you posted about Lvl 3/4 armor as plate armor, you are correct. Not trying to nit pick, but we are at war with terminology these days.

 

[BeoBill]

There is a difference in NIJ standards for soft armor and plates. The officers that were murdered were wearing typical concealed soft armor. Most any center fire rifle round will penetrate most any soft armor.

In regards to what you posted about Lvl 3/4 armor as plate armor, you are correct. Not trying to nit pick, but we are at war with terminology these days.

It makes no difference to the talking heads and their pet "firearm expert" pundits. But you knew that already.

 

[ironpony]

Off topic but why wear level 1?

 

[Xshot]

Level 1 is basically your skin.

 

[Doctor_M]

Level 1 would stop up to a .380 ACP... it is old school and they don't make it anymore.

 

[Rack&Roll]

I can stop .380 by staring it down.

 

[Xshot]

I can stop .380 by staring it down.

I just catch it with my bare hands.

 

[Doctor_M]

We can't all be Chuck Norris :-) I'll take Level IV, please.

 

[Inigoes]

I can stop .380 by staring it down.

I just catch it with my bare hands.

 

[Rack&Roll]

I deflect 9's and .45 with these. One in each hand.

 

[Doctor_M]

Un-possible to deflect a .45.... even Wonder Woman's bracelets shatter.

 

[souprcampbell]

It makes no difference to the talking heads and their pet "firearm expert" pundits. But you knew that already.

NRA has an ad with Dom Raso speaking directly about this. Raso was also on FNC speaking about the same thing in more depth. I can't remember who interviewed him, but he quite simply just shut up and listened.

The language war is tough to win, but you already knew that.

 

[mac1_131]

He used 7n6 according to the article I posted in the other thread. Already banned.

import banned. Anything already imported still OK I believe.

 

[jcutonilli]

There is a difference in NIJ standards for soft armor and plates. The officers that were murdered were wearing typical concealed soft armor. Most any center fire rifle round will penetrate most any soft armor.

In regards to what you posted about Lvl 3/4 armor as plate armor, you are correct. Not trying to nit pick, but we are at war with terminology these days.

While I have not read the actual standards, I have not read anything to suggest that there are differences in the standards between soft armor and plate.

Penetration is not the only criterion for body armor, back side deformation is also a criterion. It is my understanding that the reason level III armor is hard is that it is not reasonable to meet the the back side deformation criterion with soft armor. If penetration is the only criterion, I suspect many of the older black powder era cartridges will fail to penetrate IIIa soft armor. I saw a video where the 45-70 cartridge was stopped by soft body armor. What is unclear is whether it would meet the back side deformation criterion.