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  • 85MikeTPI

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 19, 2014
    2,742
    Ceciltucky
    I always read about seasoned reloaders removing the powder cop to repurpose that extra position, I'm glad to keep mine, even with Dillons' excellent power drop system, for additional peace of mind.
     

    Growler215

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 30, 2020
    2,479
    SOMD
    Titegroup was my guess. One way to help avoid this is to use something like Unique. Alliant has 6.3 gr as the max for a 115 gr 9x19 load, which is at least clean to the top of the case. No possibly way you could double charge with Alliant Unique unless you took a wooden dowel or similar and packed the powder in before charging again.
    Seems like it's always Titegroup. Not true, of course, but it sure seems that way.
     

    44man

    Ultimate Member
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    Feb 19, 2013
    10,155
    southern md
    WOW! Damn I am glad you are ok!

    I have never had that happen and I hope I never will. Scary stuff right there.

    Again I am glad you are ok!!!
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,103
    Glad you are ok as well. I guess the only way to look at this without crying is that you have a bunch of spare parts for your next gun.
    Lol!
    courious , how could you avoid this ? weigh every round after loading ? always looking to learn , glad you're okay , thanks , dan
    Don't know, but I am going back and weighing the rest of this batch.
    Holy crap! I'm glad you're ok. I'm the guy you were talking to at the rifle range before you went over to the pistol range. I just realized this was you because I put two and two together: I bought an old rusty Remington 700 from you a couple of years ago. When I was talking to you today, I wasn't sure that was you so I didn't say anything, but this confirms it because I recognize your profile here. I was right nearby and I had no idea! Glad you walked away.
    Ah! No kidding? Yeah, I remember that. Yes, there were a couple guys shooting on the uncovered range so I walked over to tell them what happened and to check be over for bleeds. They were a big help.
    Titegroup was my guess. One way to help avoid this is to use something like Unique. Alliant has 6.3 gr as the max for a 115 gr 9x19 load, which is at least clean to the top of the case. No possibly way you could double charge with Alliant Unique unless you took a wooden dowel or similar and packed the powder in before charging again.
    I will give this very serious thought. Thank you.
    Do you carry fresh drawers in your range bag?
    Believe me brother, you couldn't have driven a sewing needle up there with a sledgehammer!
     

    HogCommander

    Active Member
    Aug 10, 2013
    412
    Texas Hill Country
    Same as others, very glad you're OK!

    I had a double charge with 45 ACP that I loaded on a Dillon 1050. I was using light charges for target shooting; luckily no damage to me or the gun. I ordered a powder check for the press that night!
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,103
    I always read about seasoned reloaders removing the powder cop to repurpose that extra position, I'm glad to keep mine, even with Dillons' excellent power drop system, for additional peace of mind.
    The problems arise when I have some sort of snafu that causes me to lose my concentration, like when a spent primer won't pop out or maybe a new primer gets hung up on a crimped pocket. I am usually pretty good at going over the status of ever case on the carousel before starting back up. I'm going to start prepping and hand priming before going on the Dillon, I think. That's what I prefer to do with my rifle cartridges.
    I thought it was overkill that I weigh every single round. Now I am not so sure!
    I will be weighing the rest of this batch. You can bet on that!
    Geez, dodged that bullet, sorta.

    Thank you for posting the story with pics.
    Yeah boy!

    To everyone else, Thank You!
     

    guzma393

    Active Member
    Jan 15, 2020
    752
    Severn, MD
    Y'ouch...I've since ran a powder cop die since I started loading 9mm subs on my progressive and im happy that i did as i caught some intermittent powder drops along a defective powder thrower along with other things. I also started looking down my brass before putting them in the case feeder. Those stepped casings are a landmine...literally smushes a 155 grain cast 9mm pill along the steps and my only indication is the noticeably swaged and rounded over head.
     

    Uncle Duke

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 2, 2013
    11,732
    Not Far Enough from the City
    The problems arise when I have some sort of snafu that causes me to lose my concentration, like when a spent primer won't pop out or maybe a new primer gets hung up on a crimped pocket. I am usually pretty good at going over the status of ever case on the carousel before starting back up. I'm going to start prepping and hand priming before going on the Dillon, I think. That's what I prefer to do with my rifle cartridges.

    I will be weighing the rest of this batch. You can bet on that!

    Yeah boy!

    To everyone else, Thank You!

    Just a word of caution with regard to weighing the remainder of your batch in trying to isolate either a "no charge" or a "double charge" condition.

    Your primer weight and bullet weight should be fairly consistent. But your case weight can vary considerably, and ESPECIALLY if you're using mixed brass.

    The math inherent to your identification effort suggests searching for a variation on the order of 2% light, or 2% heavy. That's a tight enough window to be extremely cautious about drawing definitive conclusions.
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    50,103
    Just a word of caution with regard to weighing the remainder of your batch in trying to isolate either a "no charge" or a "double charge" condition.

    Your primer weight and bullet weight should be fairly consistent. But your case weight can vary considerably, and ESPECIALLY if you're using mixed brass.

    The math inherent to your identification effort suggests searching for a variation on the order of 2% light, or 2% heavy. That's a tight enough window to be extremely cautious about drawing definitive conclusions.
    I appreciate your concern and have given this some consideration myself. I was planning on sorting the cartridges before proceeding and I'm not sure how this will go. I am definitely going to look into it though. It may all be for nothing more than piece of mind. I do know I would rather not experience today again.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,981
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Just a word of caution with regard to weighing the remainder of your batch in trying to isolate either a "no charge" or a "double charge" condition.

    Your primer weight and bullet weight should be fairly consistent. But your case weight can vary considerably, and ESPECIALLY if you're using mixed brass.

    The math inherent to your identification effort suggests searching for a variation on the order of 2% light, or 2% heavy. That's a tight enough window to be extremely cautious about drawing definitive conclusions.
    Excellent point.
     

    holesonpaper

    Active Member
    Mar 10, 2017
    930
    Hazzard county
    I'm glad to hear there's no injury's.

    This was always my largest fear when I started reloading. With a progressive, there's lots of actions happening at the same time and it's easy to screw up. Because of this, I run the Dillon powder check and I'm confident that if setup correctly, it will alert the operator. I'm sure someone will come along and say otherwise - but to that, I say we'll have to agree to disagree. I've played enough with mine such that I'm confident in it's operation. Whether the driver pays attention to the alarm is a different question.

    Where a problem could originate, in station #3 (on a Dillon 750), guys will remove the powder check and replace with a bullet drop or switch out dies and do both bullet seating and crimping in station #5. For me, I'll still with powder check in #3, micrometer seater in #4, and crimp in #5.
     

    remrug

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 13, 2009
    1,816
    manchester md
    WOW !!!! close one. Glad you are OK!

    I have been loading rifle for about 15 years and hope I never have an accident. When I started, I found a very accurate load for my 243. I shot at least 10 rounds through it. When I went to load some again, I realized I looked at the wrong bullet weight and I was 2 grains over max. I didnt have any pressure signs and was probably ok, but I quickly lost that recipe. I shutter to think of what could have been with 2 grains over on a different rifle.
     

    Growler215

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 30, 2020
    2,479
    SOMD
    Glad you're well.

    I'll be happy to leave that box unchecked.

    I only use Vihtavuori N340 for 9mm. A max load is pretty much a full case, plus good velocities and clean burning. Used to be more expensive before Hodgdon started raising the price on most everything else, but when you're only using 4 or 5 grains per round it doesn't matter much.
     

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