Decision in Kolbe!

[Alutacon]

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What could Hogan do that wouldn't immediately give potent ammunition to the liberal majority in this state that would virtually guarantee his loss of the influence and popularity he currently enjoys, as well as guarantee he loses re-election ability to accomplish anything at all in a second term?

As others have pointed out, MD had urgent fiscal and structural issues that needed immediate attention, and his successes there have bolstered his potential ability to do more in the future with popular support.

But bear in mind the political reality. Gads, man, the MGA just today overrode his veto of a bill, by 2/3 majority, to restore felons' rights before they've served their debt to society. We still have a general assembly led by irresponsible, petulant, left wingers, backed by a body of like-minded drones.

I wasn't speaking to what he could do or as to whether he has or hasn't the political capital to do it. I was speaking to his open and public statements that he has no intention of even attempting to do anything. He isn't even going to try. That is unacceptable to me. That is the equivalent of all of us on this board saying "hey, we live in a deep blue state with an anti-gun legislature so we're not even going to bother trying to make a change." We don't do that and neither should he.

 

[Jim12]

I wasn't speaking to what he could do or as to whether he has or hasn't the political capital to do it. I was speaking to his open and public statements that he has no intention of even attempting to do anything. He isn't even going to try. That is unacceptable to me. That is the equivalent of all of us on this board saying "hey, we live in a deep blue state with an anti-gun legislature so we're not even going to bother trying to make a change." We don't do that and neither should he.

What would you have him do at this exact time that wouldn't be thrown back in his face and used as a weapon to keep him from accomplishing anything else at all? Timing is important. No, timing is everything.

 

[Alutacon]

What would you have him do at this exact time that wouldn't be thrown back in his face and used as a weapon to keep him from accomplishing anything else at all? Timing is important. No, timing is everything.

What timing is going to be right? His chances of being a two term governor in this state is pretty low no matter what he does. So if not now, when?

 

[whistlersmother]

Sigh. How many times will this discussion be had here?

Hogan ain't doin' crap 'cause there's nothin' he can do with the current MGA.

Hell, the MGA just overrode one of his vetoes!

At this point, there's nothing stopping the MGA from going draconian on the 2A. Hogan can veto, but if there's time, the MGA can override.

Hogan won't save us. We have to save ourselves.

God, we are the inverse West Virginia at this point.

 

[slsc98]

Sigh. How many times will this discussion be had here? . . . God, we are the inverse West Virginia at this point.

Except . . .







Even in West Virginia they know how (and are willing) to, read Sun Tzu . . .

 

[RoadDawg]

I wasn't speaking to what he could do or as to whether he has or hasn't the political capital to do it. I was speaking to his open and public statements that he has no intention of even attempting to do anything. He isn't even going to try. That is unacceptable to me. That is the equivalent of all of us on this board saying "hey, we live in a deep blue state with an anti-gun legislature so we're not even going to bother trying to make a change." We don't do that and neither should he.

How better to let the fires burn down on hot button issues which can not be immediately addressed with ANY success, than to state that you don't intend to change them... Yet in a round about fashion... A few things are being addressed while he gets at the cancer of waste which is killing the state.

As for being a single issue voter... Anyone who understands 2A will realize that without 2A protected, ALL other issues will suffer at the hands of the Progressive wannabe dictators. 2A is the one beam that shores up and defends all other rights. So if the candidate does not support 2A, it matters not what else they claim to support.

 

[embermage]

I have interesting point after reading the higher court decision. It seems the plantiffs should have found someone who was retired military, with emphasis on someone who was combat arms and served the last 10-11 years in the GWOT. This would have made the equal protection argument harder for the court to say there is a difference in training etc between the retired police officer and the military personel. Both have weapons training, combat arms more so than the average soldier and I would say more than the police ever have, both have carried weapons in real life situations and had to make those life/death decisions, both are targets after retirement (OPM breach and ISIS threats on military). So why is retired or current military banned from purchasing these weapons? Would have made the apples to oranges argument that the case was making for equal protection into a hitting the defendants with a watermelon situation. What kind of arguments would they have had then?

 

[Vic]

Progressive 2nd Amendment supporters, isn't that an oxymoron? Saying Hogan is no different than OweMalley, right. I was told a long time ago that you must pick you battles in life. You just can't fight all the battles, just not possible. What would Hogan fighting the legislature on guns do for us, nothing. Could it be detrimental to him and other fiscal things he is trying to do, yes.

Let me ask the progressives what they have done to push our 2nd Amendment rights? Have you gone to all the ralleys? Have you sent emails and other mail to the legislature? Have you helped fund the NRA and other like groups to help guarantee our rights? Just wandering.

 

[robmints]

I wasn't speaking to what he could do or as to whether he has or hasn't the political capital to do it. I was speaking to his open and public statements that he has no intention of even attempting to do anything. He isn't even going to try. That is unacceptable to me. That is the equivalent of all of us on this board saying "hey, we live in a deep blue state with an anti-gun legislature so we're not even going to bother trying to make a change." We don't do that and neither should he.

I can assure you, Brown would have worked to further 2a infringement. When you vote democrat, you are voting to give up your 2nd amendment rights. You may say you are not a single issue voter, but that is one issue where your vote is guaranteed to have a given effect if your vote prevails.

 

[MDFF2008]

Progressive 2nd Amendment supporters, isn't that an oxymoron? Saying Hogan is no different than OweMalley, right. I was told a long time ago that you must pick you battles in life. You just can't fight all the battles, just not possible. What would Hogan fighting the legislature on guns do for us, nothing. Could it be detrimental to him and other fiscal things he is trying to do, yes.

Let me ask the progressives what they have done to push our 2nd Amendment rights? Have you gone to all the ralleys? Have you sent emails and other mail to the legislature? Have you helped fund the NRA and other like groups to help guarantee our rights? Just wandering.

Progressive 2A supporters are some of the most active members of MSI. They have attended the rallies, they have emailed their legislatures, donated to the NRA, and even testified in Annapolis. And their reps have woke up a bit when in a sea of Republicans, they say "I am a Democrat and I support 2A rights." Not only that, they volunteer to help the group, they volunteer to man tables at gun shows, and are active supporters.

The Democratic party isn't going to change overnight, those progressive 2A supporters are trying to change it, but never fear, people like Muleskinner will be along in a few minutes to shut them down for not being line-toeing conservatives. Change has to come from within, and in a state that is 2:1 Democrat, it's hard not to see the advantage of actually being able to vote for or against someone in the primary.

 

[Blacksmith101]

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See:

• According to the ‘Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings’ this proverb has been traced back to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’). In 1738 it was used by Jonathan Swift in his ‘Polite Conversation’ and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 ‘Works of Thomas Chalkley’. The full saying is: ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

 

[RoadDawg]

On the table are two pots of soup.

One contains the same old soup we've seen for years. Made up of the old COTUS Recipe.

The other contains a more modern soup with attractive things called progressive ideas.

We've been living on the old soup for hundreds of years. But the new soup looks real good to many who fail to see the extra ingredients. The main ingredient is the arsenic known as "gun control". It is hidden deep beneath the other parts and not easily seen by many. But it is a core value of the Progressive Political Movement. And it has found its way into both major parties. A vote for a progressive candidate is a dip into the poisoned pot of soup. It is a vote AGAINST the 2A. No matter how much one wishes to believe that THEIR cadidate is not ANTI 2A... Their candidate WILL VOTE WITH THE REST OF THE PROGRESSIVE MACHINE on Bills which INCLUDE new and more infringements on everyone's 2A Rights.

Blinders are worn by some because seeing the truth hurts their ability to ignore reality.

 

[Vic]

GP1,

I am a Democrat. Don't understand you saying I am otherwise. However, I am a conservative Democrat, I know, another oxymoron. Communism/Socialism are incompatible with the Constitution. I have a friend who is Pro 2A but wants socialism. Doesn't make sense to me, you don't want the Government to take your guns but you are okay with them controlling every aspect of your life via healthcare. Maybe I am just stupid but it seems one is as bad as the other. You either believe in individual rights (Constitution) or you believe rights are granted to people the state says have proven themselves worthy, Socialism. The first is granted by God the other is granted by politicians. I will stick with the first.

V

 

[lennyk]

I think we are all Americans, firstly. JFK was a democrat, a member of the NRA, and pro life. Do you think he would be a democrat today? Reagan and ONeill got along. Things have changed so much, so polarizing. The notion of divide and conquer maybe right, but I hope we're all above that.

 

[fred333]

On the table are two pots of soup.
One contains the same old soup we've seen for years. Made up of the old COTUS Recipe.
The other contains a more modern soup with attractive things called progressive ideas.

Interesting, but I believe your analogy is based on a mistaken premise. That is, you presume progressive ideas are a finite thing (e.g., soup)—something you can hold, debate or improve upon. I suggest this is mistaken notion of the leftist view of the world.
Progressive politics are like clouds—ever-changing, nearly impossible to predict and always more or less random in appearance and purpose. There's little to be gained in trying to decipher it today, because it'll be different tomorrow. The progressives, themselves, can't even tell you what their politics'll look like 10 years from now, because they, themselves, won't know 'til they get there (and focus-group-test the political winds). Trying to decipher progressives is akin to trying to figure out a two year-old with a full diaper. Can't be done.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Progressive 2A supporters are some of the most active members of MSI. They have attended the rallies, they have emailed their legislatures, donated to the NRA, and even testified in Annapolis. And their reps have woke up a bit when in a sea of Republicans, they say "I am a Democrat and I support 2A rights." Not only that, they volunteer to help the group, they volunteer to man tables at gun shows, and are active supporters.

The Democratic party isn't going to change overnight, those progressive 2A supporters are trying to change it, but never fear, people like Muleskinner will be along in a few minutes to shut them down for not being line-toeing conservatives. Change has to come from within, and in a state that is 2:1 Democrat, it's hard not to see the advantage of actually being able to vote for or against someone in the primary.

Are you certain they are true Progressives and not DINO's? The whole DINO idea is to change the Democratic party from within.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Interesting, but I believe your analogy is based on a mistaken premise. That is, you presume progressive ideas are a finite thing (e.g., soup)—something you can hold, debate or improve upon. I suggest this is mistaken view of the leftist view of the world.
Progressive politics are like clouds—ever-changing, nearly impossible to predict and always more or less random in appearance and purpose. There's little to be gained in trying to decipher it today, because it'll be different tomorrow. The progressives, themselves, can't even tell you what their politics'll look like 10 years from now, because they, themselves, won't know 'til they get there (and focus-group-test the political winds). Trying to decipher progressives is akin to trying to figure out a two year-old with a full diaper. Can't be done.

They may not be able to tell how strong the wind will blow or how hot or cold the wind will be but the Progressive political wind will always be blowing from the left so I know the "Direction" of that wind.

 

[tsmith1499]

Progressive 2A supporters are some of the most active members of MSI. They have attended the rallies, they have emailed their legislatures, donated to the NRA, and even testified in Annapolis. And their reps have woke up a bit when in a sea of Republicans, they say "I am a Democrat and I support 2A rights." Not only that, they volunteer to help the group, they volunteer to man tables at gun shows, and are active supporters.

The Democratic party isn't going to change overnight, those progressive 2A supporters are trying to change it, but never fear, people like Muleskinner will be along in a few minutes to shut them down for not being line-toeing conservatives. Change has to come from within, and in a state that is 2:1 Democrat, it's hard not to see the advantage of actually being able to vote for or against someone in the primary.

Thank you for saying this. You have just described me to a T. Registered Dem. testify in Annapolis, work with MSI, AGC, NRA in Annapolis. Work the gun shows. You said it better than I ever could.

 

[MDFF2008]

Are you certain they are true Progressives and not DINO's? The whole DINO idea is to change the Democratic party from within.

Some are DINOs, some are actually liberals.

GP1,

I am a Democrat. Don't understand you saying I am otherwise.
V

I don't know what you mean. I never said you weren't a Democrat.

 

[Boxcab]

From the:

United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit
Federal and Local Rules of Appellate Procedure

https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Rules/Rule40.html

Rule 40. Petition for Panel Rehearing

(a) Time to File; Contents; Answer; Action by the Court if Granted.

(1) Time. Unless the time is shortened or extended by order or local rule, a petition for panel rehearing may be filed within 14 days after entry of judgment. But in a civil case, unless an order shortens or extends the time, the petition may be filed by any party within 45 days after entry of judgment if one of the parties is:

(A) the United States;

(B) a United States agency;

(C) a United States officer or employee sued in an official capacity; or

(D) a current or former United States officer or employee sued in an individual capacity for an act or omission occurring in connection with duties performed on the United States' behalf – including all instances in which the United States represents that person when the court of appeals' judgment is entered or files the petition for that person.

So is 14 days or 45 days our expectation?


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