Connecticut sends out the first gun confiscation letters

[briwayjones]

I'm liking this avenue. But, we put our own twist on it. Post the Md delegates and senators who voted for our current FSA (home addresses / phone numbers) and send all of our correspondence to their home addresses. Especially between the 20th and the last day of the month.

Imagine the politician that receives a notice from to the postmaster "to come to the post office to pick up their mail b/c there is to much to deliver"!

Or, having the politician "loose" there bills or personal correspondence in a deluge of legally mailed letters. Of course, the letters need to be to the point and non-threatening.......don't want to break any laws here. Just create a lot of inconvenience. I would go as far as to omit the words Delegate, Senator, or Honorable from the envelope.

Hmm, I kind of like that idea.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Umm, let me reiterate. What he is talking about happens before they are at your house asking for your guns. As in if they are at your door asking for your guns it is too late for his approach.

What he is talking about is really apples and oranges to the topic of this conversation. He's talking about not shooting the tax man and not shooting British soldiers just standing in the streets.

If the authorities just came for an individuals guns here and there, and said individual fought back then yes it would make no difference. The authorities would spin it how ever they want. Most people wouldn't even hear about it.

But, if there was blanket registration required, like in Connecticut. And the vast majority of people ignored said registration, like in Connecticut. If the authorities then took the next step and tried to take said guns from a large number of the people who ignored the registration, and in a fairly short amount of time, and even half of the people that ignored the registration fought back if they tried to take said guns in that short amount of time; then that would make a difference. It might not be immediate but it would start raising eyebrows.

When the time comes that they are at your door trying to take your guns by force if necessary then the time for all other courses of action is over. And frankly at that point basically no other less confrontational courses of action are going to work anymore.

I don't think you are understanding. When it appears that confiscation is imminent, hide your AR and ammo and mags off-site somewhere. When they come by for confiscation, give them the stuff you have left. Then slip away, collect your AR, and join the other patriots.

 

[gamer_jim]

The folks in Connecticut who are diehard fans of confiscation--let them be the confiscators.

The Connecticutans who think other Connecticutans should be stripped of their legally purchased long-held property--let them make these house calls if they are so certain about their sanctimonious stance.

Let all of the Connecticut Confiscators band together, if they wish, to attempt to force their ideas on any or all Connecticut rifle owners.

This. I would not want to be the first one through the door in a confiscation operation.

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[whistlersmother]

I don't think you are understanding. When it appears that confiscation is imminent, hide your AR and ammo and mags off-site somewhere. When they come by for confiscation, give them the stuff you have left. Then slip away, collect your AR, and join the other patriots.

This was my take away from that video.

After slipping away, hopefully one has already learned how to make guns, cartridges, powder, bullets, primers, etc. if "they" take your guns and ammo, make more. But the preparation for that comes long before it gets to confiscation. Learning to reload is the first step.

 

[amoebicmagician]

Scary, indeed... but the rifle looks nice.

Isn't that an HBAR? Maryland says they're not scary!

nope, that's a .22LR AR

 

[Mr H]

nope, that's a .22LR AR

even funnier, then!

 

[Ab_Normal]

A lot of people here are ASSUMING that the confiscations are going to be carried out with the intention of confiscating firearms. What makes you think that the people who were less than truthful to get these laws passed will be completely truthful when it comes time to enforce them.

What would be so difficult of raiding a house under the guise of the person being a bomb maker - plenty of household chemicals and a little bit of pipe. Or some soda bottles and gunpowder.

What would be so difficult of raiding a house under the guise of the person being a thief - does everybody here have a receipt for everything in their house?

And the list goes on child porn, library fines,....

Where would the confiscators obtain the info to act on these gun owners bomb makers, thieves, etc.? Why confidential informants of course. Just because that confidential informant may have access to the non-registry gun owner lists would be quite convenient.

And of course it would have to be a tactical style raid because the person has [drumroll] LOTS OF GUNS.

It really isn't much different from the concept of making lots of stuff illegal so 'the man' can invite himself into your life. There are plenty of videos out there showing just how easy the police may circumvent the Constitution through PC/RS.

What makes anybody, including the police officers who have vowed not to confiscate, think that those 'leaders' wouldn't use the same tactics to get their subordinates to carry out the mission of firearms confiscation?

 

[briwayjones]

A lot of people here are ASSUMING that the confiscations are going to be carried out with the intention of confiscating firearms. What makes you think that the people who were less than truthful to get these laws passed will be completely truthful when it comes time to enforce them.

What would be so difficult of raiding a house under the guise of the person being a bomb maker - plenty of household chemicals and a little bit of pipe. Or some soda bottles and gunpowder.

What would be so difficult of raiding a house under the guise of the person being a thief - does everybody here have a receipt for everything in their house?

And the list goes on child porn, library fines,....

Where would the confiscators obtain the info to act on these gun owners bomb makers, thieves, etc.? Why confidential informants of course. Just because that confidential informant may have access to the non-registry gun owner lists would be quite convenient.

And of course it would have to be a tactical style raid because the person has [drumroll] LOTS OF GUNS.

It really isn't much different from the concept of making lots of stuff illegal so 'the man' can invite himself into your life. There are plenty of videos out there showing just how easy the police may circumvent the Constitution through PC/RS.

What makes anybody, including the police officers who have vowed not to confiscate, think that those 'leaders' wouldn't use the same tactics to get their subordinates to carry out the mission of firearms confiscation?

It's harder to raid 5000, 10,000, 20,000 houses under the guise of thieves or that the people were building bombs.

 

[briwayjones]

I don't think you are understanding. When it appears that confiscation is imminent, hide your AR and ammo and mags off-site somewhere. When they come by for confiscation, give them the stuff you have left. Then slip away, collect your AR, and join the other patriots.

Ok, I see where you're going now. I thought you were coming from a different angle. Maybe I've been a little too on edge the last few days to read between the lines.

 

[smokey]

If you read the letter (and if the letter I read was real) it is pretty innocuous. Basically it says, you filed too late, now you must remove the item out of state, sell the item, or render it useless.

Now the precedence is interesting in whether they will start to make calls for those who did not file (not just filed late), and who are theoretically unknown to the Sate, to "turn them in or we'll come a-knocking!"

Interesting times indead.

This was pretty much my interpretation too. According to the law, the police were able to register the guns if the application was in before the 1st. They can't process the ones sent in after that, so the police sent out letters rejecting the applications and stating the course of action the people could take under the law to get into compliance with it. It looks like the only ones getting the letters are the dumbasses that chose to comply with registration, but sent in the application late.

What I'm not seeing anywhere credible is the state saying they are going to confiscate guns, or seeing people that didn't actively try to register the guns getting the letters. I do see a LOT of people prematurely freaking out and a LOT of misinformation circling around.

The steps now are for connecticutians... connecticutons... connecticutites... whatever... 1) for them to refuse to comply with registration or turning in their guns 2) for us to moniter what the response of the state is when people refuse to comply that had applications returned 3) If people that never attempted to register their guns are getting letters 4) Who is charged with a crime under the new law/the lawsuit that follows.

I think we've got to step back and critically analyze what's going on without the emotional misinformation and sensationalism.

 

[Boom Boom]

It looks like the only ones getting the letters are the dumbasses that chose to comply with registration, but sent in the application late.

Per multiple articles about the issue in CT newspapers, the vast majority of people who received the letter was due to the post office not picking up/processing mail for a day or two because of a big snowstorm right before the deadline. The post office ended up postmarking them a day or two late, even though people mailed them before the deadline in accordance with the law. Instead of CT just overlooking the minor delay as trivial, CT chose to escalate it into a confrontation, so far with just a threatening letter. It's asinine and incredibly juvenile for CT to act in this manner considering an act of God was the real culprit. It speaks volumes about the level of unreasonable ideology involved.

 

[Armed Citizen]

I could be completely wrong, but I don't think any confiscations are going to happen. At least not in the manner of them coming to your door, listing them off taking them and then either pressing charges or calling it a day. That would be bad publicity for them. The goal here is to make everyone a criminal, charge them with the crime, convict them in court and the have the grounds to take the guns away from each one as they are now a convicted criminal and also prevent them from every buying a gun again. I don't think it will be swat teams going door to door taking everything away. They will come, arrest you, let you out on bail, convict you in court and then seize weapons by court order. Simple disobedience of the law is not a win, the court has to acknowledge the law is void or we lose period.

my .02

 

[PO2012]

It's asinine and incredibly juvenile for CT to act in this manner considering an act of God was the real culprit. It speaks volumes about the level of unreasonable ideology involved.

To say nothing of the level of evil involved.

There are a great many people who support gun control and gun confiscation out of ignorance or stupidity but the politicians who pass these laws belong in an entirely different category. They aren't ignorant, they're predatory. They want to disarm the American people because they intend to impose policies so distasteful and damaging that Civil War will be the result. They're hoping to short circuit resistance before it emerges. They will fail and fail spectacularly.

 

[Mr Bear]

Some family friends came face to face with the threat of confiscation during Katrina. They lived in an dry, upper middle class neighborhood. Their property was surrounded by a 6ft fence. Having plenty of food, water, & power, they opted to stay put.

When the authorities arrived at their gate telling them they had to leave & turn over any firearms, the father told them they were self sufficient & would be staying to protect their property.

The father also stated they had numerous firearms, plenty of ammo, & the entire family could safely & accurately handle these firearms. He then re-iterated they weren't going anywhere.

Now the authorities had to chose between causing a scene while engaging an armed, determined family or going to the next property. Guess where the authorities went?

I sincerely hope this doesn't happen in Conn on a larger scale, but we'll have to wait.

 

[Brooklyn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Sometimes shit happens.

If it does it is usually a f..k up.

The authorities will try not to set off the population. The real question is what happens after the f..k up.

And who will be next..

 

[Rack&Roll]

I am astonished that the major cable channels have not jumped on the Connecticut Registration Boycott and given it the breathless Drama Mama full hour treatment yet

Sure, the conservative blog media is all over it, but the big news channels don't seem to want to touch it with a 10 foot chrome barrel.

What gives? The situation promises serious statewide civil disobedience--and comes complete with "From My Cold Dead Hands" challenge videos and blog postings from 2A supporters.

Of course the conservative media is taking a run at it in print form, but where are the primetime programs on CNN, MSNBC, HLN, FOX, etc. with all the fiery "come-and-take-it" speeches at the Connecticut state capital that are all over YouTube?

Mike Vanderboegh of the Alabama-based Sipsey Street Irregulars--among others-- has thrown down the gauntlet. He announced in Connecticut last summer that he was bringing "banned" weapons and ammo into the state and dared State Police to catch him doing it.

It can't be that hard to line up a Connecticut Confiscationist to go up against a Connecticut Patriot for some slam bang TV. The hint that confiscation could set off a civil uprising in modern America has to be a bigger ratings rocket than all the tired Crispy Kreme Christie stuff or Arizona's "Oh No!" Freedom To Turn Down Business Law.

So….what gives?

 

[oldman12]

No shots fired .

 

[hylomar]

I could be completely wrong, but I don't think any confiscations are going to happen. At least not in the manner of them coming to your door, listing them off taking them and then either pressing charges or calling it a day. That would be bad publicity for them. The goal here is to make everyone a criminal, charge them with the crime, convict them in court and the have the grounds to take the guns away from each one as they are now a convicted criminal and also prevent them from every buying a gun again. I don't think it will be swat teams going door to door taking everything away. They will come, arrest you, let you out on bail, convict you in court and then seize weapons by court order. Simple disobedience of the law is not a win, the court has to acknowledge the law is void or we lose period.

my .02

The people who received the letters will in all likeliness comply with the law, as that is what got them the letter in the first place. I think the real intent is to provide future felony charges for the 50,000 to 350,000 people who chose not to register. Police in your home for any other reason has not provided an end to a potential mass murder buy confiscating the evil assault rifle. Death by a thousand cuts.

 

[Odiferous Maximus]

I've read some accounts of Australians who didn't turn in their weapons as ordered.

The authorities didn't go after them in their homes - rather, they arrested them at work, restaurants, gas stations, etc.

There are anecdotal reports of family members being arrested on fuzzy charges to get the holdouts to report to the police station.

 

[CrazySanMan]

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/02/official-ct-state-police-spokesman-says-that-state-police-would-participate-in-door-to-door-gun-confiscations/

The State of Connecticut says that all citizens must register rifles and high capacity magazines, or be charged will a felony. As many as 100,000 people could face heavily armed police smashing down their doors and be charged with a felony.

The legislature of CT says that a registration is needed so they can know where the guns are. Yet at the same time, they are sending threatening letters to gun owners. So they already have records of who has purchased certain guns. The fact is, that the CT legislature fully intends to confiscate hundreds of thousands of firearms anyway. The registration process will simply make it easier to confiscate, because you acknowledge that you still own a firearm that the state already suspects that you own.

CT State Police Spokesman Lt. Vance says that state police will go door to door confiscating firearms and charging residents with felonies, if they are ordered by the state.

CT State Police Spokesman Lt. Vance can be reached at at (860) 685-8290.