Kharn
Ultimate Member
I've heard some people say only the MSP can sign off as CLEO in MD for NFA purchases. Has anyone tried to get a signature from a different qualified individual and did the ATF have an issue with that person's signature?
CLEO Signature by anyone other than MSP?
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wilcam47
Ultimate Member
there are numerous people allowed to sign the form...the problem is getting them to sign....i ran into this where the sherrif would not sign the form...because he didnt feel it was needed! many that are allowed to sign thing its a liability against them when in fact it is not...I also had a captain in the military that was allowed to sign but didnt because i didnt live on base...i did end up getting it finally but it was a long process...good luck with your signature
Just wondering why you would go another route since the MSP has basically agreed to sign off with no whining?
ATF should not have any issue, their rules saw any CLEO, no special section about MD and only the state police.
I personally would love someone to ask the state AG or county prosecutor to sign off, just to see the response.
If you are worried about time frame, don't forget about a trust.
ATF should not have any issue, their rules saw any CLEO, no special section about MD and only the state police.
I personally would love someone to ask the state AG or county prosecutor to sign off, just to see the response.
If you are worried about time frame, don't forget about a trust.
Kharn
Ultimate Member
I'm currently waiting for MSP to sign off on two Form 1s (which has been a total debacle, see below) and I'll go to them for the two Form 4s I'm planning for this year.
So the debacle:
CJIS changed from the orange to purple cards back in November, but I had already been printed and submitted my cards to the firearms branch. When they arrived at CJIS, apparently they went into the shredder with no feedback to the firearms branch saying they were destroyed because they were the wrong color. So I called to check status at 60 days and was told to not call until 90-120 days. At 90 I called and they said to check with CJIS to see why they had not sent the firearms branch a go/no-go on my prints. CJIS said the prints never went into their system, firearms branch said they must've been destroyed during the color change and to submit new ones. So I took off work, got printed for all of this year's anticipated transactions and FL CCW renewal, and mailed in the new CJIS card. Now here I am, 100+ days later after the original submission wondering if I'll get to chop the barrels on my guns before Labor Day.
So the debacle:
CJIS changed from the orange to purple cards back in November, but I had already been printed and submitted my cards to the firearms branch. When they arrived at CJIS, apparently they went into the shredder with no feedback to the firearms branch saying they were destroyed because they were the wrong color. So I called to check status at 60 days and was told to not call until 90-120 days. At 90 I called and they said to check with CJIS to see why they had not sent the firearms branch a go/no-go on my prints. CJIS said the prints never went into their system, firearms branch said they must've been destroyed during the color change and to submit new ones. So I took off work, got printed for all of this year's anticipated transactions and FL CCW renewal, and mailed in the new CJIS card. Now here I am, 100+ days later after the original submission wondering if I'll get to chop the barrels on my guns before Labor Day.
I get mine done by local law enforcement Much easier than going through MSP. No problem with BATFE.
JeepDriver
Self confessed gun snob
MSP is not the only one that can sign off.
I have had several customers in Carroll County that have had thier sherriff sign off on thier forms and they have all went through w/o a problem.
See if the Harford County Sherriff's office will help you out.
I have had several customers in Carroll County that have had thier sherriff sign off on thier forms and they have all went through w/o a problem.
See if the Harford County Sherriff's office will help you out.
xd40c
Business Owner-Gun Toter
I had the Chief here in Aberdeen sign mine while I waited....MSP was not amused.
CKOD
Active Member
- Jan 30, 2009
- 348
Is there any MD paperwork that has to be submitted to MSP or just the one signature by the CLEO for the ATF paperwork?
JeepDriver
Self confessed gun snob
A customer stoped in Thursday night and droped off his form 4's that he had just got back from MSP after 3 months !
Fustercluck
Active Member
Out here on the Eastern Shore our Sheriffs believe in the Second Amendment and sign off on Form 4's. It's like a completely different state over here.
Slimjim
Ultimate Member
- Mar 6, 2007
- 3,074
Whoa, this means Tregonning can sign these..*filled with glee*
Marshallbrew
Member
I have to say I have not had any problems with MSP and my NFA forms. I just take them right down to MSP in Pikesville off of Sudbrook Rd, a couple of weeks later I get a letter from CJIS that I have no criminal record. Then a couple of weeks later, I get everything back from MSP, all signed and what not.
Kharn
Ultimate Member
If you recieve the CJIS letter, call the Handgun branch and they'll let you fax the letter to them, at which point they sign your forms and mail them off. Otherwise the forms will sit at the handgun branch until they realize you've been waiting a while and call CJIS to find out if you passed or not.
Kharn
Ultimate Member
The ATF gets two blue cards, the MSP likes to hold your two blue cards (I dont know why, considering they did not run my blues after my orange card was destroyed) and keeps one purple card.
CKOD
Active Member
- Jan 30, 2009
- 348
Just for some clarification, I just got my form 4's for my MK23 can, It does NOT need to be MSP that signs off on them? If I can get harford county sherrif to sign off on them thats all I need?
The purple fingerprint card and $10 for MSP is just what they want to sign off on our form 4's?
The purple fingerprint card and $10 for MSP is just what they want to sign off on our form 4's?
Fustercluck
Active Member
You need: 2 FBI blue cards,2 photos (one per form 4), check for 200 bucks, 2 copies of citizenship attestment form, and have CLEO sign item 17. If your Sheriff is cool with it, s/he can certainly take care of item 17 on form 4. make surethey sign both copies. You need to sign item 16 in the presence of CLEO. I have had the Wicomico County Sheriff do this for me in the past, and it totally satisfies the ATF. It does NOT have to go through MSP (although they would probably like you to do so). In fact, having the Sheriff sign off shaves 1-3 months off the wait time.
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CKOD
Active Member
- Jan 30, 2009
- 348
Thanks, I wasnt sure there if there was additional MD legislation to wade though or not. Hopefully Sheriff Bane will sign off on it for me.
CKOD
Active Member
- Jan 30, 2009
- 348
FYI Harfod county residents, Sheriff Bane just called me and said that he would indeed sign off on ATF form4s
I already had mine sent off to the MSP, and I made sure to thank him for being NFA friendly, but anyone else in the county needing a CLEO signature try to get ahold of him.
I already had mine sent off to the MSP, and I made sure to thank him for being NFA friendly, but anyone else in the county needing a CLEO signature try to get ahold of him.
MauiWowie
I have the SIGness...
So is it our responsibility to get his signature? do we bring it to him or mail it how do you do it?
