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  • Sunrise

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    Reap what you sow, folks.
     

    StantonCree

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    Yeah city is having a rough go right now. 151 was hit yesterday and the more crime centric twitter accounts (Chuck D and Potomac fever) are getting their word out quite effectively through social media. Last year crime was down but the fear of crime was up. This year both are up. It seems even the rather liberal residents are unhappy with the policy changes that were made. Interesting times no doubt.

    Even metro is publicizing its gun recoveries from fare evasion.

    Soft on crime hard on crime comes in waves. I wonder if we’ve reached the soft on crime valley?

    I studied sociology and law in college. Law is generally black and white and while complex in its intricacies it’s rather straight forward. I loved the sociology aspect though. We’ve created these emerging cultures with so many factors of folks know they can get away with crime (Mendelson even said it). Then you’ve nationally created a culture where our police are hamstrung or afraid to do their job. Not for fear of negative paperwork or suspension but fear of prosecution. Wild times to be alive!
     

    babalou

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    Yeah city is having a rough go right now. 151 was hit yesterday and the more crime centric twitter accounts (Chuck D and Potomac fever) are getting their word out quite effectively through social media. Last year crime was down but the fear of crime was up. This year both are up. It seems even the rather liberal residents are unhappy with the policy changes that were made. Interesting times no doubt.

    Even metro is publicizing its gun recoveries from fare evasion.

    Soft on crime hard on crime comes in waves. I wonder if we’ve reached the soft on crime valley?

    I studied sociology and law in college. Law is generally black and white and while complex in its intricacies it’s rather straight forward. I loved the sociology aspect though. We’ve created these emerging cultures with so many factors of folks know they can get away with crime (Mendelson even said it). Then you’ve nationally created a culture where our police are hamstrung or afraid to do their job. Not for fear of negative paperwork or suspension but fear of prosecution. Wild times to be alive!
    100% dead on, sir.
     

    Sunrise

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    Does DC still have that stupid BLM Blvd ?

    They don't care.
    Yes. BLM Plaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter_Plaza

    Of note:

    Judicial Watch

    The conservative activist group Judicial Watch also filed suit against Mayor Muriel Bowser and the District Department of Transportation in response to the installation of Black Lives Matter Plaza. Arguing that the painting of the Black Lives Matter message created a public forum for expression, Judicial Watch requested permission to paint its slogan "Because No One Is Above the Law!" in a similar size on a District street. After the District government did not respond to its inquiries, the group sued in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, alleging a violation of its First Amendment rights. The case was dismissed on 7th Feb 2022 by Judge Tanya S. Chutkan.[35]

    FWIW, Judge Chutkan is the Judge handling President Trump's recent indictment in DC.
     
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    Sunrise

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    Yeah city is having a rough go right now. 151 was hit yesterday and the more crime centric twitter accounts (Chuck D and Potomac fever) are getting their word out quite effectively through social media. Last year crime was down but the fear of crime was up. This year both are up. It seems even the rather liberal residents are unhappy with the policy changes that were made. Interesting times no doubt.

    Even metro is publicizing its gun recoveries from fare evasion.

    Soft on crime hard on crime comes in waves. I wonder if we’ve reached the soft on crime valley?

    I studied sociology and law in college. Law is generally black and white and while complex in its intricacies it’s rather straight forward. I loved the sociology aspect though. We’ve created these emerging cultures with so many factors of folks know they can get away with crime (Mendelson even said it). Then you’ve nationally created a culture where our police are hamstrung or afraid to do their job. Not for fear of negative paperwork or suspension but fear of prosecution. Wild times to be alive!
    Well put sir. I completely agree.

    This won't get better until there are more police on the street and more of these criminals in prison that stay there for a long time to enable local businesses to invest/recover.
     

    StantonCree

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    Does DC still have that stupid BLM Blvd ?

    They don't care.
    Yes. Oddly enough no one I’ve talked to really cares they did that. It was pretty neutral. Why shouldn’t a city that wants to do that be able? I mean how many Delaware NJ bridges are named after cops? It was a national movement and the city felt it correct at the time. Me, a white guy, wasn’t hurt by it.

    Now can I think of 100 better turns for our tax payers money then “dedications” and symbolism? YUP

    But in the grand scheme I tend to look at stuff like this. How does this affect me? Is food being taken from my kid? Are my rights being taken? Are my kids rights being taken? Nope just some spray paint symbolism.
     

    RFBfromDE

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    Yes. Oddly enough no one I’ve talked to really cares they did that. It was pretty neutral. Why shouldn’t a city that wants to do that be able? I mean how many Delaware NJ bridges are named after cops? It was a national movement and the city felt it correct at the time. Me, a white guy, wasn’t hurt by it.
    Give yourself a moment to contemplate your asinine moral equivalency. :)

    BLM is a corrupt Commie with a capital C lie.

    Everyone with half a brain knew this upon their founding.

    DC still honors them.

    FDC.
     

    StantonCree

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    Give yourself a moment to contemplate your asinine moral equivalency. :)

    BLM is a corrupt Commie with a capital C lie.

    Everyone with half a brain knew this upon their founding.

    DC still honors them.

    FDC.
    I think most people can separate the movement and ideology from the actual organization. I’ll agree that the organization has some serious issues and is probably very corrupt but I think you can agree that black lives do in fact matter.
     

    rseymorejr

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    Give yourself a moment to contemplate your asinine moral equivalency. :)

    BLM is a corrupt Commie with a capital C lie.

    Everyone with half a brain knew this upon their founding.

    DC still honors them.


    FDC.
    If you read between the lines (the words in red) it suddenly seems very appropriate
     

    RFBfromDE

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    I think most people can separate the movement and ideology from the actual organization. I’ll agree that the organization has some serious issues and is probably very corrupt but I think you can agree that black lives do in fact matter.
    Before the sentiment was co-opted by The Usual Suspects, sure.

    "The Movement" is based on distortions, exaggerations and lies by the organization. From "hands up don't shoot" to "skittles and ice tea" to "I can't breath" so no, I do not separate "the movement" from the organization.

    "Probably very corrupt?"

    :rofl:

    Stop it man, stop it!
     

    rseymorejr

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    Before the sentiment was co-opted by The Usual Suspects, sure.

    "The Movement" is based on distortions, exaggerations and lies by the organization. From "hands up don't shoot" to "skittles and ice tea" to "I can't breath" so no, I do not separate "the movement" from the organization.

    "Probably very corrupt?"

    :rofl:

    Stop it man, stop it!
    The very first time I heard "Black Lives Matter" was after Michael Brown committed suicide, the hard way. It has had ZERO credibility with me since then. The hypocricy of someone shouting "Black Lives Matter" in a city where young black men are killing other young black men on an almost daily basis is a joke.
     

    Afrikeber

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    Well put sir. I completely agree.

    This won't get better until there are more police on the street and more of these criminals in prison that stay there for a long time to enable local businesses to invest/recover.
    I don’t think LEO’s are hamstrung right now as much as is the courts judges who are not getting appropriate charges brought to them because of the prosecution not charging more aggressively.
     

    StantonCree

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    Before the sentiment was co-opted by The Usual Suspects, sure.

    "The Movement" is based on distortions, exaggerations and lies by the organization. From "hands up don't shoot" to "skittles and ice tea" to "I can't breath" so no, I do not separate "the movement" from the organization.

    "Probably very corrupt?"

    :rofl:

    Stop it man, stop it!
    Your inability to separate the 2 is the problem here so we will just chat in circles. I don’t say that to belittle you either, you’re entitled to think and believe as you wish and I respect that.

    I
    I don’t think LEO’s are hamstrung right now as much as is the courts judges who are not getting appropriate charges brought to them because of the prosecution not charging more aggressively.

    If you look at current chase policies, incidental neck touchings, etc they are being hamstrung by legislation.
     

    RFBfromDE

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    The very first time I heard "Black Lives Matter" was after Michael Brown committed suicide, the hard way. It has had ZERO credibility with me since then. The hypocricy of someone shouting "Black Lives Matter" in a city where young black men are killing other young black men on an almost daily basis is a joke.
    Furthermore, no one said or implied they don’t matter.

    The whole dumbass thing is a Straw Man!

    And weak minded fools still fall for it….
     

    Bob A

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    I think most people can separate the movement and ideology from the actual organization. I’ll agree that the organization has some serious issues and is probably very corrupt but I think you can agree that black lives do in fact matter.
    Apparently those lives matter far more to the political class that uses them as a cats-paw, than to the Black community that murders its own at an amazing pace.

    It might be appropriate to mention that the abortion rate for Black babies is considerably higher than its proportionate percentage in the general population. So much for Black lives mattering.

    I personally am offended that the egregious hypocrisy is never allowed to be discussed without accusations of racism.
     

    StantonCree

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    Apparently those lives matter far more to the political class that uses them as a cats-paw, than to the Black community that murders its own at an amazing pace.

    It might be appropriate to mention that the abortion rate for Black babies is considerably higher than its proportionate percentage in the general population. So much for Black lives mattering.

    I personally am offended that the egregious hypocrisy is never allowed to be discussed without accusations of racism.
    Can’t argue with the last part but also keep in mind it was a slogan created after police shootings. It was designed with that in mind.

    Problem is people have their own meaning but don’t take in mind the creation context. Then throw in the organization and we have a big soup of confusion.
     

    Epiphany

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    Apparently those lives matter far more to the political class that uses them as a cats-paw, than to the Black community that murders its own at an amazing pace.

    It might be appropriate to mention that the abortion rate for Black babies is considerably higher than its proportionate percentage in the general population. So much for Black lives mattering.

    I personally am offended that the egregious hypocrisy is never allowed to be discussed without accusations of racism.

    It’s actually wholly inappropriate and unrelated to bring abortion into the conversation…

    Starting a debate about what constitutes a life is so far off-topic it really belongs on another forum.

    It’s very easy to think that people who do need access to abortion are having fun and I’m quite confident when people apply the same fits-my-agenda “logic” to your life choices, you suddenly wish people would stop talking about shit they know nothing about… but that’s just the view from my armchair.

    In any case, the conversation you want to start really would require being open about the bigger picture, and I have an equal amount of confidence that you’d spend all of that conversation finding a way to continue to blame black people, instead of admitting that maybe there’s a reason things are the way they are.

    Amazing how Stanton can make a non-controversial statement, and yet we still have to find a way to disprove it for the sake of politics.

    I mean, it’s not like you’re the president of a counter-movement to stop black-on-black crime, it’s just a convenient way to shout down something you don’t agree with. No less hypocritical really, is it?
     

    StantonCree

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    It’s actually wholly inappropriate and unrelated to bring abortion into the conversation…

    Starting a debate about what constitutes a life is so far off-topic it really belongs on another forum.

    It’s very easy to think that people who do need access to abortion are having fun and I’m quite confident when people apply the same fits-my-agenda “logic” to your life choices, you suddenly wish people would stop talking about shit they know nothing about… but that’s just the view from my armchair.

    In any case, the conversation you want to start really would require being open about the bigger picture, and I have an equal amount of confidence that you’d spend all of that conversation finding a way to continue to blame black people, instead of admitting that maybe there’s a reason things are the way they are.

    Amazing how Stanton can make a non-controversial statement, and yet we still have to find a way to disprove it for the sake of politics.

    I mean, it’s not like you’re the president of a counter-movement to stop black-on-black crime, it’s just a convenient way to shout down something you don’t agree with. No less hypocritical really, is it?
    I think the whole thing is that BLM means so many things to so many people. It’s easy to take out of its original context especially when you throw the organization in there. Ideally we should all disapprove of the organization with its fraud, squandering or donations, and ties to socialism. But when you remove that and get down to the sayings meaning it’s also easy to quibble about it since it means different things to different people.
     

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