Boondock Saint
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What does MSI have to say about this?
Nothing yet, at least not publicly. We're on top of this.
What does MSI have to say about this?
Nothing yet, at least not publicly. We're on top of this.
Even for LEO to get CCW, training and yearly qualification is required.
"As of August 1, 2011 the Maryland Police and Correctional Training Commissions, Firearms Training Facility, has assumed responsibility for LEOSA training and issuing of the firearm certification cards to people they train."
The CCW is only good for one year and the training cost $50 for 3 hours of classroom instruction and qualification.
I don't know how they can have lower standards for Joe Citizen
My post to Mike's page:
A vast number of MD permits are issued to merchants who for the most part do NOT have any special training. The DD-214 should be included. There are states that require training and accept the hunter safety certificate as proof thereof. I hold six permits, one of which required live firing (Utah). That too should suffice. Finally, Maryland has issued by some estimates around 40,000 permits sans a training requirement. What the h*ll has changed that MSP now wants a training program.
I think if a Court applied Intermediate Scrutiny, some form of training could be mandated. Hard to argue training is a bad thing, even if the 2A doesn't require it. Some times as has been stated, we have to accept something bad to avoid getting something worse.
Title 11 Chpt 5 § 1441. License to carry concealed deadly weapons.
(3) Every such applicant shall file in the office of the Prothonotary of the proper county the application verified by oath or affirmation in writing taken before an officer authorized by the laws of this State to administer the same, and shall under such verification state that the applicant's certificate and recommendation were read to or by the signers thereof and that the signatures thereto are in the proper and genuine handwriting of each. Prior to the issuance of an initial license the person shall also file with the Prothonotary a notarized certificate signed by an instructor or authorized representative of a sponsoring agency, school, organization or institution certifying that the applicant: (i) has completed a firearms training course which contains at least the below described minimum elements; and (ii) is sponsored by a federal, state, county or municipal law enforcement agency, a college, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training. The firearms training, course shall include the following elements:
a. Instruction regarding knowledge and safe handling of firearms;
b. Instruction regarding safe storage of firearms and child safety;
c. Instruction regarding knowledge and safe handling of ammunition;
d. Instruction regarding safe storage of ammunition and child safety;
e. Instruction regarding safe firearms shooting fundamentals;
f. Live fire shooting exercises conducted on a range, including the expenditure of a minimum of 100 rounds of ammunition;
g. Identification of ways to develop and maintain firearm shooting skills;
h. Instruction regarding federal and state laws pertaining to the lawful purchase, ownership, transportation, use and possession of firearms;
i. Instruction regarding the laws of this State pertaining to the use of deadly force for self defense; and
j. Instruction regarding techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and how to manage a violent confrontation, including conflict resolution.
+1Don't get me wrong - I agree with all of what you said and given the choice between what we currently have and a shall issue state with the training requirement, I would take the latter all day long.
However, in the second case we are still allowing the government to make decisions on our behalf thinking they know what is best for us. They are portioning out rights provided under the constitution and they shouldn't be able to do so.
Given MD's propensity to take a mile when given an inch, I am very much againt giving them even a millimeter.
Florida's DOES REQUIRE LIVE FIRE depending on which kind of training you use to apply. If you have a DD-214 for example, you can use that and do not have to do any additional live fire training. If you take the Utah class, or an NRA class that doesn't include live fire, like Home Firearm Safety, or any other gun safety class taught by an NRA certified instructor, then YES, YOU NEED TO DO LIVE FIRE.
If you sent them your NRA cert AND your DD-214, then you are fine. The DD-214 would suffice for the training without a need to additionally do live fire, since it is known that your basic training included firearms training.
What's the big deal. Go take a training class like you guys did for Utah and bam your done. Be grateful we have gotten this far at all! The glass is half full!
??? Utah doesnt require live fire.
Take a training course if CCW ever becomes legal. I just wonder if CCW will actually ever happen here?
I think if a Court applied Intermediate Scrutiny, some form of training could be mandated. Hard to argue training is a bad thing, even if the 2A doesn't require it. Some times as has been stated, we have to accept something bad to avoid getting something worse.
Training was never necessary before. I don't see why it would be necessary now.
I absolutely believe everyone should seek training but vehemently oppose state mandated training.
Also, why do NRA courses seem to always make it into these laws? I took Handgun 1 with Tom at CCJA because it the syllabus showed it to be much more indepth than NRA basic handgun. If the state does this they should accept any form of handgun training, not just the NRA courses.
They only have a few days left...
This is getting a little silly.
What CCW? I respect Del. Smigiel for all the work he does for our side, but.....
How about actually GETTING to a real "Shall Issue", before everyone starts discussing adding more requirements.
The way I look at this is that they see "SHALL ISSUE" in the near future. That is a good thing.
I took the NRA basic pistol class right after sending in my CCW app. I took a copy of it to my interview so I hope I am one step ahead on that part.
Totally disagree with required training for CCW. We don't need a state mandated training session to exercise our constitutional rights. What ever happened to individual accountabilty.