Any value to rifle training at 75 feet?

[Wapato]

The good news is that the indoor range I belong to allows rifles. The bad news is that the maximum range is 75 feet and the shots are always going to be pretty much straigh forward (as opposed to much in the way of elevation differences).

My question is if that is sufficient to provide any useful training.

On the one hand it seems like one could simply try for exceedingly small groups. On the other, you aren't really dealing with range, windage, elevations, and a single hole at 75 feet could still be a pretty wide spread further out.

And there may be other issues as well, which is why I'm asking here.

 

[Neot]

There is always value in extra trigger time. Work on your trigger, not anticipating the round going off, etc. You can also get targets that mimic the size they would be at various distances, so that could also be of some value to you.

 

[erwos]

I'd work on getting those small groups. Arguably, NOT having to deal with all of those external factors will force you to confront the basics of rifle operation, and your role in such.

 

[randomjoe]

Depends on what type of rifle you are talking about. If they allow reloads/transitions this would be a good distance to practice failure drills/malfunctions with an AR/AK, reloading, transitioning to a pistol, etc.

 

[MessedUpMike]

Half and Half drill only goes out to 20 yards. 20 is easy, but the 2.5 sec par on the 5 yd is a beast. If you're allowed to shoot multiple lanes then El Presidente is also an option. There's plenty you can do it just requires a little imagination.

 

[davsco]

anything is better than nothing. as noted above, you can work on accuracy, reloads, pistol transitions and the like.

i just did a small competition at an indoor 25yd range, where they ran the targets out and back and we had to put so many shots in them (head and body) before they stopped.

look for some 3 gun and also tactical carbine events (mayberry) to get OJT (so to speak) practice. i do these as i haven't found too many places that let you run around with guns, so the events ARE my practice.

and just because you belong to one place doesn't preclude you from hitting some outdoor ranges that may go out to 100 - 300+ yards.

also look at the Training forum for something that suits you.

 

[JOBU]

All shooting time is valuable. Either at 75 yds or 750 yds.

 

[Af_catfish]

Short distance with the right rifle can be a whole lot of fun. I sometimes practice getting target acquisition quickly from the high ready. I would do double taps, but my range frowns upon such behavior.

 

[MGA]

By chance I saw this thread.

To shooting training on the short and long distances, we use this training equipment

 

[Engage Instructor]

IMO it all depends on what type of shooter you want to be. Are you a bulls eye shooter, or a defensive shooter. For the military, which is mainly defensive with a little in offensive, we qualified at distances from 200-500 yards and close range 25 yards and in. Most engagements overseas are made at ranges of 300 yards so we focused on medium engagement type training. With closer ranges you have to take into account the height of your optics zero on the reticle and the axis of the bore. So you will have to aim higher on the target to get the desired effect on the target. After 25 yards you have to take your time with your shots. In the defensive shooting you have to think about the effect of your rounds on target. If you send every round through the same hole does that have a positive (deadly) effect on target. You should always know the limits of your rifle and your abilities. I know that on a stationary target at 700 yards I can hit 3 out of 5 rounds with a 16" AR. It is also a confidence booster to see a good hit at a long range. But the world is your oyster and there are many different types of shooting out there. If your interested in close range defensive tactical type shooting we will be offering a carbine class in the near future!

 

[ProShooter]

I had a conversation with a student (police officer) about 2 weeks ago regarding this. We were discussing our outdoor range (25 yards) and the possibility of a rifle class being held there.

The student brought up a good point in that many officers now go to their rifle first in an active shooter situation and most engagements occur at distances less than 25 yards. The average person who uses a rifle in a defensive manner is probably going to be at distances well within the capabilities of the rifle.....just food for thought.

 

[Kilroy]

Use tiny targets. 25yds can be quite difficult.

 

[StantonCree]

I had a conversation with a student (police officer) about 2 weeks ago regarding this. We were discussing our outdoor range (25 yards) and the possibility of a rifle class being held there.

The student brought up a good point in that many officers now go to their rifle first in an active shooter situation and most engagements occur at distances less than 25 yards. The average person who uses a rifle in a defensive manner is probably going to be at distances well within the capabilities of the rifle.....just food for thought.

Couldn't have said it better. If your training for a real world gun fight 90% of the time anything over 25 yards is a waste if your training to pick off zombies from your top window the skies the limit

 

[Boom Boom]

I frequently practice off-hand with carbines at 25 yards. It's fun to see how tight of a grouping you can consistently shoot. It helps to develop/improve good/consistent technique.

 

[MCTRV]

Great info here. Just bought my 1st AR15 & was wondering about range shooting at 25yds - thanx all.

 

[Darkemp]

I start all of my rifles out at 25yds to sight in, works well for me. I use 12" Shoot N' See targets and can see the impacts without glass (most of my rifles are irons only milsurps).

 

[IndispensableDestiny]

I do most of my AR carbine shooting offhand from 25 to 50 yards. I also shoot my 1894C lever gun and .22 LR semi-auto the same way.

 

[Zabixx]

not ----

It is not fair

 

[TyFromMD]

My house is less than 75 feet long so practicing at 75 feet and under works well for me.

 

[C45P312]

There's a lot you can do at 75ft. Just think big circles and little circles. You can practice accuracy and speed and weapon manipulation.