Illinois has made their move

RUOMO10 · Jan 2, 2013

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/s...-passage-of-gun-ban-this-week.aspx?s=&st=&ps=

Sorry if this has been posted already. Tried searching and didn't see this.

So it appears Illinois and the gun grabbers have made their first move. I saw another article on Facebook so I'll try to post that. They really are moving fast. This could get ugly.

Maverick0313 · Jan 2, 2013

I would expect nothing less.

mayor_quimby · Jan 2, 2013

i thought they did this every year.....

Hell more people died in Chicago this year than American service members in Iraq.

Yep banning guns will work. got it

RUOMO10 · Jan 2, 2013

If they do pass it, hopefully it is taken to the Supreme Court.

MDFF2008 · Jan 2, 2013

I'm confused because I've seen this refereed to as a gun ban and as an assault weapons ban.

Are they trying an AWB or spitting at Heller with a full ban?

MJD438 · Jan 2, 2013

gprimr1 said:
I'm confused because I've seen this refereed to as a gun ban and as an assault weapons ban.

Are they trying an AWB or spitting at Heller with a full ban?

I have not been able to find any specifics regarding this either. But, wouldn't any new ban also be spitting in the face of CA7 based on the Moore decision? Especially since the Court was nice enough to give them 180 days to comply with the findings of the case?

Mr H · Jan 2, 2013

gprimr1 said:
I'm confused because I've seen this refereed to as a gun ban and as an assault weapons ban.

Are they trying an AWB or spitting at Heller with a full ban?

I haven't seen text, but as I'm hearing it, this is an attempt at a full firearms ban.

Downstaters won't have it, but the fight won't be pretty.

ETA... this is all I can find on it so far...

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32796

Significant excerpt here:

Word is out that IL Senate President John Cullerton, of Chicago, plans to push passage of a statewide gun ban during the lame duck session which begins tomorrow, Jan. 2, 2013 at 3 p.m.. Using the tragedy committed in the Connecticut school, Cullerton wants to push Chicago's ban on legal, commonly owned, commonly used firearms and ammunition magazines.

Chicago legislators have been wanting to push their failed semi-auto gun ban into the entire state for decades and believe, in the light of the recent tragedy, that this is their opportunity to get it done.
We know from experience if they succeed with this ban, they will not stop there. Comments have already been made about needing to ban "sniper rifles" which in reality are only single shot, bolt action hunting rifles. There is no firearm which is safe from being banned.

Guderian · Jan 2, 2013

Is there a way for us to help? I read the announcement from ISRA, and their action requests all seem to be directed to IL residents. I'm already a member for NRA, GAO and SAF. Was considering joining ISRA to show support to IL. Anything else?

Mooseman · Jan 2, 2013

A gun ban works in Chicago, why wouldn't it work for the whole state. For those that can't tell, this is 100% sarcasm.

krucam · Jan 2, 2013

Guderian said:
Is there a way for us to help? I read the announcement from ISRA, and their action requests all seem to be directed to IL residents. I'm already a member for NRA, GAO and SAF. Was considering joining ISRA to show support to IL. Anything else?

NRA, SAF and ISRA are all good.

This is fundamentally an ISRA and/or Illinoiscarry.com issue right now. "IF" the effort to stop the bill fails and it becomes law, that's when the SAF/NRA litigation efforts could come into play.

The quote from Mr H above is from Molly B (Illinoiscarry) on 1/1. It was originally provided by the NRA's rep in IL, Todd Vandermyde on 12/31: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32771

jpk1md brought the story here on 12/31 as well: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=99366

mshilto89 · Jan 2, 2013

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact...zfC-m5O7txFk7znulPFofU6k_3Y9GTjpofmjM5fPXjQs=

I'm sure you have seen this, if not, it's a few more details (somewhat) of the bill. Bans ALL semi-auto weapons including pistols and even pump shotguns...

press1280 · Jan 2, 2013

I'm wondering if there's a connection to them losing in Moore? This kind of ban seems draconian even by their standards.

MDFF2008 · Jan 2, 2013

press1280 said:
I'm wondering if there's a connection to them losing in Moore? This kind of ban seems draconian even by their standards.

Makes sense.

Also, a lot of them didn't get re-elected.

gmhowell · Jan 2, 2013

Hopefully whatever gun makers are in IL can afford to take their business and jobs to another state.

MJD438 · Jan 2, 2013

IANAL, IIRC, didn't Moore pretty much spell out that a blanket ban was unacceptable? Wouldn't implementing this type of ban just be a contemptuous slap in the face and wind right back in CA7 as a violation of their findings?

jmcgonig · Jan 2, 2013

Full text of the bills...

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...arms-ban-and-mag-registration-bills-revealed/

They are trying to make everything semi-automatic illegal. OMG, this bill is so radical its laughable. I hope they get their ass handed to them legally and politically.

mshilto89 · Jan 2, 2013

Wow, just read the text of the bill..... So ALL 50 caliber weapons, anything that can accept a magazine, even handguns and shotguns. There is even a limit on the weights of revolvers...

Bolts Rock · Jan 2, 2013

They're also after ranges with a whole slew of onerous requirements and if you don't already have an FOID you cannot participate in any live fire sessions but of course you have to pass a live fire test to get the FOID.

Boom Boom · Jan 2, 2013

Off-the-hook lunacy. Partial quote from bill 1263 of banned guns:

(C-1) a semi-automatic rifle or pistol with a fixed
magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds of ammunition;
(C-2) a semi-automatic rifle or a pistol with the
capacity to accept a detachable magazine, a muzzle
brake, or muzzle compensator;

The bill labels any such gun as a "semi-automatic assault weapon". Section C-2 is a clever, near-duplicate of another section but bans all semi-auto rifles and pistols that use detachable magazines. Anybody owning guns on the ban list would have to register them with IL state police within 90 days. No new sales or taking possession of guns that are on the list. Owners of existing banned guns would not be able to sell them in IL.

Good luck with that.

Kilroy · Jan 2, 2013

Should let them pass it. It'll make for good case law when it gets smacked down.

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