Go Back   Maryland Shooters > The Arsenal > Curio and Relic (C&R)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old June 10th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #1
DarthZed
Senior Member
 
DarthZed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Howard County
Posts: 1,599
Tokarev pistol trigger problem

Hey everyone, I'm hoping someone can give me some input here. I bought a couple of Tokarev pistols last year, a Polish tt33 and a Yugoslavian M57. I disassembled and cleaned the guns when I first got them, and put them in the safe to wait for a trip to the pistol range. When I finally got around to shooting them yesterday, the guns were almost unusable due to a VERY stiff trigger pull. The M57 literally required all my strength to fire. (I kept checking the safety to make sure it was off, since the trigger wouldn't move at all) I would pull, Pull, PULL, PULL!; and the gun would finally fire abruptly with no discernible trigger movement. It was quite frankly impossible to hit the silhouette target at 10m. The Polish gun was also quite stiff (though not as bad as the M57), with no appreciable movement before it also fired.

After checking online, most people seem to indicate that their guns have a trigger pull of 5-6lbs. My M57 must be close to 20, and the Polish tt33 is probably in the 12-15lb range. I've disassembled the guns to clean them, and don't see that I've got anything improperly put together; but obviously something is wonky. Anyone have any idea what I have screwed up?


__________________
"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.... Because I always backup my rage with facts and documented sources."
The Credible Hulk

Asteroids. Nature's way of saying "Hows that Space Program coming?"

"Even when you have all the answers, it won't give you peace. My greatest fear, and I have many, is not in the solutions that evade me. It's in the answers I have, that I'm too slow to execute. It's when I 'could have'..but didn't soon enough." Barry Ween
DarthZed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #2
tdt91
I will miss you my friend
 
tdt91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Abingdon
Posts: 8,084
what type of cleaners or lube did you use?

My guess is they are assembled wrong.


__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" - Thomas Jefferson

CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG !!!!!!!!!
tdt91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #3
DarthZed
Senior Member
 
DarthZed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Howard County
Posts: 1,599
Ballistol and CLP were the cleaners/lubs I used. I'm certain something is assembled improperly; but I swear I can't figure out what.


__________________
"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.... Because I always backup my rage with facts and documented sources."
The Credible Hulk

Asteroids. Nature's way of saying "Hows that Space Program coming?"

"Even when you have all the answers, it won't give you peace. My greatest fear, and I have many, is not in the solutions that evade me. It's in the answers I have, that I'm too slow to execute. It's when I 'could have'..but didn't soon enough." Barry Ween
DarthZed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #4
ST19AG_WGreymon
Air Force SrA
 
ST19AG_WGreymon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Laurel, MD
Posts: 1,536
I had a Tokarev M57 with some insane trigger pull. I cleaned it as best I could and it helped a little but I ended up exchanging it. Have you considered disassembling the FCG?


__________________

Looking for:
Saiga 12
GSG5

Saiga 7.62 Flat Trunion Bullet Guide F/S PM me
ST19AG_WGreymon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2012, 05:30 PM   #5
DarthZed
Senior Member
 
DarthZed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Howard County
Posts: 1,599
I hadn't bothered to disassemble the guns to that extent, so I assumed (always dangerous) that the problem wasn't in the FCG. Interesting to hear that someone else has had a similar problem. I just figured I had screwed something up in reassembly.


__________________
"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.... Because I always backup my rage with facts and documented sources."
The Credible Hulk

Asteroids. Nature's way of saying "Hows that Space Program coming?"

"Even when you have all the answers, it won't give you peace. My greatest fear, and I have many, is not in the solutions that evade me. It's in the answers I have, that I'm too slow to execute. It's when I 'could have'..but didn't soon enough." Barry Ween
DarthZed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #6
jaygibson
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Great Mills, MD
Posts: 398
Images: 2
You really have to make sure you get all of the grease out of the FCG. I"m lazy so I use gun scrubber after a soak in ballistol. Just a little bit of grease in a spring can make a big difference.

How are they dry firing? Is it different than live?
jaygibson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 10th, 2012, 10:13 PM   #7
falconguy
Member
 
falconguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Harford County. Show me your papers!
Posts: 552
I have a Yugo and Rommy, never had a problem like that...... yet.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg t1.jpg (92.7 KB, 50 views)


__________________
Damn It Man...... I Need Another Milsurp!

USAF 1986-1990
NRA Member
C&R 03
Garand Collectors Association
Delta Peach Bottom Fish & Game
Maryland Designated Collector
falconguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11th, 2012, 04:32 AM   #8
Brychan
Senior Member
 
Brychan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 2,415
Images: 2
You did remove the grips and the trigger and clean them real well?
I have 2 M57's and the first time at the range one of them was a bit hard to squeeze the trigger, when I got home I torn them all way down again (did not take apart hammer group, the all in one peice, not sure of the proper name) reclean and lubed put back together and the triggers were both fine.
Brychan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 11th, 2012, 07:20 AM   #9
DarthZed
Senior Member
 
DarthZed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Howard County
Posts: 1,599
OK, That's weird. I just tried dry firing the two guns (something I generally don't like to do), and they are much easier than when a round was chambered at the range. Triggers are still a little gritty feeling and don't have a crisp break; but they seem to be operating at about 7-8 pounds of pull. Very tolerable considering what they are.

I need to go to the range again this week and try them again. Strange, they were almost unshootable yesterday. I don't understand what caused that. The change shouldn't be due to anything I've done since then. I didn't even really break the guns down for cleaning when I got home (only 2 rounds through the M57, and half a mag through the tt33). I just locked the slides back and cleaned the barrel and bolt face since I was using corrosive ammo. (I did remove the slides to get a closer look at the internals, but slipped them back on when nothing looked out of place)

Gremlins? Or perhaps the C&R gods are simply having fun with me.

Oh, and I did take the grips off and soak the FCG in mineral spirits when I first got the guns. In any case, the cosmoline on the guns was of the liguid type, like heavy oil; rather than hard gel. So I don't think it could have caused any issues.


__________________
"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.... Because I always backup my rage with facts and documented sources."
The Credible Hulk

Asteroids. Nature's way of saying "Hows that Space Program coming?"

"Even when you have all the answers, it won't give you peace. My greatest fear, and I have many, is not in the solutions that evade me. It's in the answers I have, that I'm too slow to execute. It's when I 'could have'..but didn't soon enough." Barry Ween
DarthZed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > The Arsenal > Curio and Relic (C&R)


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
2013, Maryland Shooters, LLC