Maryland Designated Regulated Firearms Collector

Pretoria78 · Jul 13, 2014

Joshvictus said:
Doesn't a C&R come with it's own cons, Or is that a good one to apply for just to have?

Having a C&R can lead to a low balance in the bank account, as well as an acute case of Mosinitis.

Aside from that, there are no real drawbacks to having one.

QuebecoisWolf · Jul 13, 2014

Pinecone said:
However, without an HQL, you cannot buy any pistol, so the DC doesn't do much. But it is still valid for when/if you get an HQL.

Not true. C&R handguns are exempt from the HQL requirement.

swinokur · Jul 13, 2014

Doesn't this only apply to out of state purchases?

QuebecoisWolf · Jul 13, 2014

swinokur said:
Doesn't this only apply to out of state purchases?

Nope. Look at the last checkbox in Section 1.

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/157075461

swinokur · Jul 13, 2014

ok got it.

Pinecone · Jul 13, 2014

swinokur said:
Unfortunately the MD statute fails to define what a "bona fide collector" is. I'd have to think that DC would satisfy that portion of the law, since there is nothing else that would help in defining it, at least at the state level. AS C&R would certainly help, but that's a Federal Designation, not state.

So you would consider with a DC and only one firearm owned a bonafide collector?

How about a person with 30+ Garands of various flavors without a DC?

jasonk1229 · Jul 13, 2014

An addict

swinokur · Jul 13, 2014

Pinecone said:
So you would consider with a DC and only one firearm owned a bonafide collector?

How about a person with 30+ Garands of various flavors without a DC?

I don't know. Why is what I think important? All I said was it's not defined in the statute. It's what the state says it is, (or isn't), not me.

Joshvictus · Jul 13, 2014

I think it was an older thread on this forum I came across, someone was mentioning the C&L can open you to random audits but I think it was just for FFL people.

Pretoria78 · Jul 14, 2014

Joshvictus said:
I think it was an older thread on this forum I came across, someone was mentioning the C&L can open you to random audits but I think it was just for FFL people.

If you possess a C&R FFL, the BATFE can inspect your bound book (that you're required to keep for C&R purchases and acquisitions).

Pinecone · Jul 14, 2014

swinokur said:
I don't know. Why is what I think important? All I said was it's not defined in the statute. It's what the state says it is, (or isn't), not me.

Because you said this:

swinokur said:
Unfortunately the MD statute fails to define what a "bona fide collector" is. I'd have to think that DC would satisfy that portion of the law

Yes, the DC is NOT mentioned. The words are "bonafide collector." DC MAY help, but it is not legally recognized.

swinokur · Jul 14, 2014

But I'm not the arbiter of what is and what isn't. Why are you insisting I am? Who gives a rat's A$$ what I think?

Threeband · Jul 14, 2014

If the question ever came up, I think it would be decided case-by-case, based on the arguments of lawyers. DC status would form part of an argument that one is "bona fide", but many other things could as well, such as GCA membership AND having 30 Garands.

Meanwhile, the prosecutor will argue against every point your lawyer makes. No doubt they would argue that Mawkie is not a "bona fide collector".

There is no settled answer. There are only arguments both ways, and some arguments are better than others. Then the Court decides.

I think a Designated Collector letter by itself is a VERY, VERY weak argument, but you play the cards you've got.

Docster · Jul 14, 2014

Joshvictus said:
I think it was an older thread on this forum I came across, someone was mentioning the C&L can open you to random audits but I think it was just for FFL people.

There's an entire forum for C & R and it has a very helpful FAQ section. That section taught me most everything I needed to know about the topic. The C & R license IS an FFL.

Now, back to topic....

swinokur · Jul 14, 2014

Threeband said:
If the question ever came up, I think it would be decided case-by-case, based on the arguments of lawyers. DC status would form part of an argument that one is "bona fide", but many other things could as well, such as GCA membership AND having 30 Garands.

Meanwhile, the prosecutor will argue against every point your lawyer makes. No doubt they would argue that Mawkie is not a "bona fide collector".

There is no settled answer. There are only arguments both ways, and some arguments are better than others. Then the Court decides.

I think a Designated Collector letter by itself is a VERY, VERY weak argument, but you play the cards you've got.

Exactly. Which is why arguing about what I said or didn't say is a complete waste of time. The court will decide because the term "bonafide" is undefined in the statute. having both an FFL 03 and a DC letter would be your best defense IMO

But to Pinecone's point, owning a pile of Garands might be prima facie evidence you're a "bona fide" collector. I guess it's up to the courts as noted.

IANAL.

Pinecone · Jul 14, 2014

swinokur said:
But I'm not the arbiter of what is and what isn't. Why are you insisting I am? Who gives a rat's A$$ what I think?

Because you previously stated "I'd have to think that DC would satisfy that portion of the law."

swinokur · Jul 14, 2014

Exactly my point. it's what I think. No one has to agree with me. Give it a rest.

QuebecoisWolf · Jul 18, 2014

Bob A said:
I don't see lack of HQL as a factor. You don't need the HQL for C&R handguns anyway, and they are the more collectible ones.

So long as you already own more than one regulated firearm, MSP would consider you a collector, and issue you a letter by and by.

Might as well get it; someday you'll really want to get more than one in a 30 day period, and then you'll be ready for fiscal depletion.

Well... I got the letter today confirming as much. You do NOT need an HQL to be a designated collector.

swinokur · Jul 18, 2014

You could be a collector and never buy another handgun.

HQL's are for purchasing. And as pointed out not needed anyway.

OrbitalEllipses · Jul 24, 2014

Do you guys send these First Class stamped, registered mail, return receipt, Priority Flat Rate?

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