- Feb 4, 2013
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I hope not.
But the way MSP is handing SBRs, I would not want to test the waters.
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I hope not.
But the way MSP is handing SBRs, I would not want to test the waters.
IMO, the more textually faithful reading of the (unconstitutional and ill-advised) law is that it had to be in a banned configuration prior to 10/1/13... Though, as a practical matter, no one will know it's 10/1/2013 configuration unless you post threads like this.
- Feb 4, 2013
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I wasn't going to say that. 
There you go again.............. Please share the link, to help my misguided sole.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
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DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Oh god no....
Apparently he thinks that 16" barrel is a SBR barrel...
exactly, just because they (MSP) are saying you can't build a <29" OAL SBR on a form that states application to manufacture doesn't necessarily mean that you can't at it's simplest form switch around uppers on your pre-ban lowers... Until I see an opinion from the MSP, I will refrain from even responding to speculation on this specific topic since nobody knows for sure. But I will add if you have supporting evidence please show me the link!
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
He can't produce a cite that says a 16" barrel qualifies as an SBR barrel, due to NFA stating any rifle barrel <16" is an SBR/pistol barrel. MSP doesn't have anything about a 16" barrel, so he is blowing smoke.
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
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You two are idiots The full 100% correct MSP info is in the link I posted above.........Maybe if you would be willing to educate youself and clink on the link I provided above you would see what the real facts are
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
You two are idiots The full 100% correct MSP info is in the link I posted above.........Maybe if you would be willing to educate youself and clink on the link I provided above you would see what the real facts are
So the truth is about fat chicks in party hats? This is when I'm happy I have a messed up sense of humor.
- Aug 17, 2011
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Account suspended.
No fat chicks in party hats. FPS's rehab has been a success.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Account suspended.
No fat chicks in party hats. FPS's rehab has been a success.
I never clicked on it, I just read the URL. Account reinstated.
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
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Account suspended.
No fat chicks in party hats. FPS's rehab has been a success.
I dunno if thats the actual link but it's a real website and HILARIOUS!!!
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
fivepointstar
Thank you MD-Goodbye
you need to have pictures of it with hot chicks or hot chicks barely wearing clothing
then its complete
then its complete
hottubcliffordjames
Member
Yeah, have me post pictures of two things you don't get, lol. Yeah, most of the girls I work with have issues of me posting pictures of them with my guns because they're in the nude. So... Yeah I want to stay in MDS' good graces.
- Feb 4, 2013
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The point is, MSP is considering making an SBR now, it has to follow SB281 and be over 29" of be banned as a copycat. No matter when the lower was purchased.
Based on that, building a rifle now, out of a lower should apply the same test. You have to build it into non-banned form.
If you don't agree, fine, build whatever you want. You are free to interpret the law anyway you want. The question will always be, will MPS and the AG agree?
Based on that, building a rifle now, out of a lower should apply the same test. You have to build it into non-banned form.
If you don't agree, fine, build whatever you want. You are free to interpret the law anyway you want. The question will always be, will MPS and the AG agree?
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
The problem with what you are saying is that it is with an SBR. That rifle is not an SBR. How do I know this? I know this because I assembled the damn rifle in my kitchen! I measured the barrel myself and compared it to the info on the Joe Bob's website. That barrel is 16" long and conforms to the minimum barrel length, so it does not fall under SBR. You aren't listening to what I have said, nor are you willing to see that I am being open and honest about that rifle.
If you want to go with an uber narrow interpretation of FSA 2013, be my guest. Just don't push it on me. I know the rifle is legal, due to how the preban lowers were grandfathered and could be built any way the owner desired. You need to go back and look at the MSP and AG letters from early last year.
- Feb 4, 2013
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Of course, MSP and the AG office have never changed what they say.
The point is, MSP is saying that rifles build now, need to conform to FSA2013 requires no matter when the lower was purchased.
We are SEEING this with SBRs right now.
How you can look at what they are doing with SBRs and say that building a banned configuration NOW if OK is beyond me. No matter what was said in the past.
But if you are happy with it, great. I just hope the owner doesn't get nailed for it at some point.
The point is, MSP is saying that rifles build now, need to conform to FSA2013 requires no matter when the lower was purchased.
We are SEEING this with SBRs right now.
How you can look at what they are doing with SBRs and say that building a banned configuration NOW if OK is beyond me. No matter what was said in the past.
But if you are happy with it, great. I just hope the owner doesn't get nailed for it at some point.
