My first C&R Terni / Carcano I need help with some information about this Rifle.

HRDWRK · Oct 10, 2014

I need some help with my first C$R!

I know that the Manufacturer is Terni and it is a Carcano.
However the caliber of the rifle is not on the gun. In looking up information about the gun it says they can be two types a long rifle which would be a 7.35x51 or a short rifle which would be a 6.5x52!

This rifle is short however when I look at any pictures online about this gun the forearm has a metal support that appears to be attached by the barrel, This doesn't have that metal.

It also has some marks on the bolt and butt stock and I love the color of the wood! Which is one of the reasons I purchased the rifle the other being I paid $35 for it!

http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag45/HRDWRK1/IMG_2228_zpsc13e9f4f.jpg

http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag45/HRDWRK1/IMG_2231_zpsabdbbc40.jpg

Boom Boom · Oct 10, 2014

$35? Wow. Looks like a nice rifle for almost free.

j8064 · Oct 10, 2014

It looks like a Modello 91 which has been bubba'd (as so many were). That would make it a Cal 6.5.
You can't go wrong for $35.

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/

PS: There are many Carcanos out there that bubba took a hack saw to the barrel and shortened them. Some had a gain twist rate so their accuracy is kaput.

HRDWRK · Oct 10, 2014

j8064 · Oct 10, 2014

Looking closer at your pics, with the turned down bolt handle and rollercoaster rear sight it's possible the rifle was originally an M 91/24 TS.

Too bad bubba got to it. :sad20:

Here's some more info that may help:

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Ital...N CARCANO RIFLE/The ITALIAN CARCANO RIFLE.htm

yellowsled · Oct 10, 2014

Looks like a bubba special. M91 cut down in 6.5 cal

HRDWRK · Oct 10, 2014

With the stamping in the stock is the wood color correct?

yellowsled · Oct 10, 2014

round stamp would be correct with the serial numbers. Someone added some initials on there too. That's not correct.

j8064 · Oct 10, 2014

HRDWRK said:
With the stamping in the stock is the wood color correct?

Probably so. But undoubtedly the furniture has been refinished. Posting some clearer pics of the receiver and entire barrel would be helpful. You mentioned it's a "short rifle" What's the barrel length?

yellowsled said:
round stamp would be correct with the serial numbers. Someone added some initials on there too. That's not correct.

Agreed. It always makes me wonder, "What was bubba thinking?"

The turned down bolt handle doesn't seem to fit with M91's. But bubba could have swapped out the bolt easy enough.

HRDWRK · Oct 10, 2014

Thanks for all the help with the ID!

With Tape Measure!

HRDWRK · Oct 10, 2014

Abulg1972 · Oct 11, 2014

There are just some things I wouldn't buy. This is one of them. Not even for $35.

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reverendbeer · Oct 11, 2014

HRDWRK said:
Thanks for all the help with the ID!

I liked this bit at j8064's http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/models.html ...

according to the chart, the 1891 Fucile was the only one that had adjustable sights that went to 2000m and...

Tubato (Tubular rifling insert).
In the 1920's some guns were reworked via the Salerno method by boring out the worn barrel and inserting a rifled, tubular barrel liner. These guns are marked Tubato, letters running in a "U" shape on the middle barrel facet, ...

...which yours looks like it has.

Regardless...$35 is awesome!

yellowsled · Oct 11, 2014

The 6.5 is a awesome round to plink at the range. It's a nice shooting Milsurp rifle that won't kill your shoulder. $35 is awesome. I would have grabbed it up too.

cestrella13 · Oct 11, 2014

Buying a milsurp rifle for $35 in this day-and-age is hard to resist; plus, 6.5cal ammo is A LOT easier to find versus the 7.35cal that other model Carcanos were chambered in!

Lou45 · Oct 12, 2014

j8064 said:
PS: There are many Carcanos out there that bubba took a hack saw to the barrel and shortened them. Some had a gain twist rate so their accuracy is kaput.

I thought all the Cracano's had gain twist rifling, not jus' some ov'em. Were any of'em not gain twist???

j8064 · Oct 12, 2014

Lou45 said:
I thought all the Carcano's had gain twist rifling, not jus' some ov'em. Were any of'em not gain twist???

Not all Carcano models were built with gain twist rifling. There's a chart under "Specifications" on this site that has good info on the specs of the different Carcano models:
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/models.html

Not to reopen the whole Kennedy/Oswald "magic bullet" debate here, having fired period correct (and reloaded) 6.5x52 Caracano ammo in my 91/38 Fucile Corto, I believe it's entirely possible a .268 Carcano bullet "could" pass through the soft tissue of two bodies and come out unscathed. There are many reported complaints from the Italian army about the ineffectiveness of the cartridge.

The Carcano rifle is interesting to research.

Lou45 · Oct 12, 2014

OK, so not all Carcanos were gain twist. I thought they were due to their somewhat low strength actions and gain twist rifling was a way to keep peak pressures at a lower level.

My first C&R Terni / Carcano I need help with some information about this Rifle.

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