Hopefully MSP/AG will clarify in writing if it's one of the criteria or all three, or if the barrell MUST be stamped.
New MSP HBAR Guidance
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Hopefully MSP/AG will clarify in writing if it's one of the criteria or all three, or if the barrell MUST be stamped.
Just don't paint all us Democrat card carriers with the same brush. I'm a Democrat(not DINO) that very much doesn't support what they have done and happily fighting it each step of the way i physically can. The party itself in some places still has reasonable people that just want to protect their homes, hunt tasty animals and enjoy the rights of gun ownership.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
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Ok, let's say a person goes to Virginia (presumably the MSP does not send advisories to adjacent state FFL's) and purchased what the law specifically says - "copies" (and there's nothing in COMAR or statute to prevent this) and they are both happy as clams in high tide.... Or a sale between two private parties even within MD? How the hell are citizens bound by a MSP advisory issued to MD FFL's???
Later, the MSP cause trouble. What statute or regulation is cited for the offense? I am fairly sure an advisory does not count in court as a chargeable offense.
This is arbitrary regulation making without allowing redress.
Mr H
Banana'd
Great point, as the sale would be in compliance with Fed law AND the laws of both states.
This advisory seems to me to be a soft end-around to curtail sales until something more formal can be accomplished.
This advisory seems to me to be a soft end-around to curtail sales until something more formal can be accomplished.
the writting on it is what makes it a copy of a colt sporter hbar? be right back, im about to engrave "colt sporter hbar" on all my Kalashnikovs.
One needs to understand Gun Control is a Democratic party plank. As a DINO, the goal is to promote change from within. Getting past the large corporate donations to be heard is the challenge.
This has always been the case.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
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Even within MD with a private party sale. Not every gun owner is a member of MDS and keeps up on the innuendo and latest dribbles put out by the MSP (or AG). Say they read the laws and regulations, are well informed on them... Next thing ya know, there's a knock on the door.
Setting arbitrary policy and issuing an advisory to FFL's is bs.
This needs to be run through COMAR.
I do understand the DINO movement and fully support it happening so it's just not us democrats trying to fix ourselves from the inside. Just remember though there is Republicans that vote for gun control bills and democrats that vote against them to(sometimes politically motivated and some times because they know its the right thing).
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-l...trol-bill-and-democrats-who-voted-against-it/
Part of the problem i see constantly is here on MD Shooters it's very easy to bash democrats in the state(even ones that are trying to help fix the problems) and so many just give up sticking around here to make proper points or even to get involved.
Are Republicans in MD the only ones that should be concerned about protecting their homes? I know the Democrats in Detroit have embraced things recently as they realize this is nonbiased issue that gun control wont solve in home protection and protection of self.
I was at a PG Young Democrats meeting recently and after it was over people broke into smaller groups with one talking about gun control and the problems in the county. One gentleman that was there in the group talking was very easy to pick out as a DINO convert because he kept claiming this is a democrat problem and it's all the democrats at fault over SB281, etc etc etc. Needless to say i talked to him after everything was over in the parking lot and explained that I knew he was a DINO(which he later admitted to) and he needed to learn a different way to approach things inside those meetings or they would quickly figure him out and ask him to leave. It's hard enough for we democrats that believe in Gun Rights when you get someone playing the wolf in sheeps clothing spouting vitriol in a meeting....More flys with honey than vinegar.
vinjet700
No one of significance
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
5 10-101 of the State Government Article (hereaf- ter, SG), Annotated Code of Maryland, a regulation is defined as follows:
Note the bolded items. They cannot claim either of those in number 2 and avoid the regulation process on policy setting. However, see section 1(iii)(1) and (iv) in totem. Those bass turds are bypassing their own laws.
How does the state implement regulation?
See this, section IV...
http://www.lawlib.state.md.us/researchtools/guides/comarresearch.pdf
Note the bolded items. They cannot claim either of those in number 2 and avoid the regulation process on policy setting. However, see section 1(iii)(1) and (iv) in totem. Those bass turds are bypassing their own laws.
How does the state implement regulation?
See this, section IV...
http://www.lawlib.state.md.us/researchtools/guides/comarresearch.pdf
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN THE REGULATION-MAKING PROCESS
Maryland citizens and other interested persons may participate in the process by which administrative regulations are adopted, amended, or repealed, and may also initiate the process by which the validity and applicability of regulations is determined. Listed below are some of the ways in which citizens may participate (references are to State Government Article (SG),
Annotated Code of Maryland):
• By submitting data or views on proposed regulations either orally or in writing, to the proposing agency (see ‘‘Opportunity for Public Comment’’ at the beginning of all regulations appearing in the Proposed Action on Regulations section of the Maryland Register). (See SG, §10-112)
• By petitioning an agency to adopt, amend, or repeal regulations. The agency must respond to the petition. (See SG §10-123)
• By petitioning an agency to issue a declaratory ruling with respect to how any regulation, order, or statute enforced by the agency applies. (SG, Title 10, Subtitle 3)
• By petitioning the circuit court for a declaratory judgment on the validity of a regulation when it appears that the regulation interferes with or impairs the legal rights or privileges of the petitioner. (SG, §10-125)
• By inspecting a certified copy of any document filed with the Division of State Documents for publication in the Maryland Register. (See SG, §7-213)
Maryland citizens and other interested persons may participate in the process by which administrative regulations are adopted, amended, or repealed, and may also initiate the process by which the validity and applicability of regulations is determined. Listed below are some of the ways in which citizens may participate (references are to State Government Article (SG),
Annotated Code of Maryland):
• By submitting data or views on proposed regulations either orally or in writing, to the proposing agency (see ‘‘Opportunity for Public Comment’’ at the beginning of all regulations appearing in the Proposed Action on Regulations section of the Maryland Register). (See SG, §10-112)
• By petitioning an agency to adopt, amend, or repeal regulations. The agency must respond to the petition. (See SG §10-123)
• By petitioning an agency to issue a declaratory ruling with respect to how any regulation, order, or statute enforced by the agency applies. (SG, Title 10, Subtitle 3)
• By petitioning the circuit court for a declaratory judgment on the validity of a regulation when it appears that the regulation interferes with or impairs the legal rights or privileges of the petitioner. (SG, §10-125)
• By inspecting a certified copy of any document filed with the Division of State Documents for publication in the Maryland Register. (See SG, §7-213)
SNI,
You are definitely fired up
It is always nice to see others pointing out the MSP doesn't follow the law.
You are definitely fired up
It is always nice to see others pointing out the MSP doesn't follow the law.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
SNI,
You are definitely fired up
It is always nice to see others pointing out the MSP doesn't follow the law.
Darn right I am! Enough is enough.
They cannot make rules/ interpret statutes using arbitrary methods and bypassing the regulation process. Plain and simple.
spclopr8tr
Whatchalookinat?
Why not? It works just fine for our incumbent knucklehead in chief at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
And the first clue was the GM Bondholder/stockholder priority switch edict back in March of 2009.
So we just sit back and let them convert our system of government to a dictatorship, while wringing our hands and saying "oh we'll, that's just what they do..."
Ronald Reagan was a "card-carrying Democrat" for much of his life until he declared "I did not leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me".
NavyATFP: In your own words you claim you are a Democrat (non-DINO).
As such you are useless in the cause "to protect...homes, hunt tasty animals and enjoy the rights of gun ownership". Democrat Party policies that over-tax, overspend and over-regulate are antithetical to the American way of life.
If the people with any sense would leave the idiots at the core of the Democrat Party then we could out vote them. Simple as that. Remain a Democrat and you inflate their numbers. Simply put: you are the problem.
aquaman
Ultimate Member
problem is the democrat party of today is being led by the socialist. Its a lost cause. The whole tea party/libertarian vs establishment divide you see in the GOP is because those people woke up and see the Big Gov-anti liberty GOP for what it is, a con game. The Democrat party needs to the same thing to happen.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
The big issue IMO as discussed in the previous thread is whether it needs to be advertised AND marked HBAR or is it one or the other?
I believe COMAR a dresses this issue already and the MSP is finally making a call on how to define it.
If the standard is Marked HBAR and Advertised, well that bans all HBARs because no one currently markets AND marks AR15s except some older bushies (which the MSP claims are completely banned), and colts.
If its just one or the other then STAG and Windham market Heavy Barrel/Contour AR15s in their literature BUT they are NOT stamped HBAR.
I believe COMAR a dresses this issue already and the MSP is finally making a call on how to define it.
If the standard is Marked HBAR and Advertised, well that bans all HBARs because no one currently markets AND marks AR15s except some older bushies (which the MSP claims are completely banned), and colts.
If its just one or the other then STAG and Windham market Heavy Barrel/Contour AR15s in their literature BUT they are NOT stamped HBAR.
Gee, maybe we should send yet another ****ing letter demanding further clarification? :roll eyes:
