DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier on active shooter: Take them down

danb · Nov 20, 2015

http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-news/releases/view?id=44007

If you’re in a position to try and take the gunman down, to take the gunman out, it’s the best option for saving lives before police can get there,” she tells Cooper.

I saw this on the news and I was like....Seriously? Evidently she'll be on 60 minutes too. Making the rounds on the news to promote DCs new CCW law, which no longer bans it, just makes it next to impossible.

Fight back with what, exactly?

DC-W · Nov 20, 2015

Your office does have its DHS-issued pair of scissors, doesn't it?

They were generous with us and also tossed in a red swingline stapler.

rgramjet · Nov 20, 2015

Flowers?

Applehd · Nov 20, 2015

This...?

rdc · Nov 20, 2015

That's funny. My workplace basically ordered us to drop, hide, & hold on. Any fighting back is absolutely the last resort

Mr H · Nov 21, 2015

I guess we need to work on our groupings with cans of tuna...

swinokur · Nov 21, 2015

danb said:
Fight back with what, exactly?

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Mike · Nov 21, 2015

Mr H said:
I guess we need to work on our groupings with cans of tuna...

Get your training here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/048291_gun-free_schools_child_militias_soup_cans.html

danb · Nov 21, 2015

Too bad her own words are not admissible for the DC CCW lawsuit. That would be a hoot.

swinokur · Nov 21, 2015

They will when Wrenn is sent back to the District Court by the DC Circuit.

:sad20:

j_h_smith · Nov 21, 2015

Was she giving advice or official directions? I think this would be important.

BigSteve57 · Nov 21, 2015

rdc said:
That's funny. My workplace basically ordered us to drop, hide, & hold on. Any fighting back is absolutely the last resort

My company has no official policy AFAIK.
But I have actually gamed this where I work about 10 years ago.

I happen to have an office that's on an outer wall near an entry way so I might be able to make it out of the building in a hurry if such a situation presented itself. But what if I'm not in my office or the entrance near my office was the one used by the shooter?

My office credenza and shelves make a ladder of sorts where I could get to the ceiling fairly quickly. There are similar arrangements in meeting and other rooms/offices throughout the building that would afford similar hasty retreats. There are also nooks in the warehouse where you could lose yourself but that's not a predictable arrangement.

The ceiling where I work is a dropped acoustical tile type that's easy to get through. Once through the ceiling I could make my way (I think) across the various office partitions to pretty much anywhere I wished. At least that's what I've seen the facilities guys do when they're stringing things like network cables. Heck I used to do it myself when I was more "junior", so to speak.

If I made it up to the ceiling and couldn't move about I bet I'd be OK as I'm betting that an active shooter would not be shooting randomly into the ceiling.

Armati · Nov 21, 2015

She needs to be challenged on this. We know the Press has long stopped being the 4th estate, and is now the 5th column. However, some citizen needs to call her on this the next time she is on a radio call in show.

Is she really suggesting an unarmed citizen should bum rush an active shooter but she does not support armed citizens?

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ComeGet · Nov 21, 2015

What a hypocrite.

Telling the populace that they're on their own for the most intense part of active shooter situations--which we here knew already--all the while saying and doing what she can to keep the same populace from being armed enough to protect themselves.

She's not a cop; she's a politician.

Rack&Roll · Nov 21, 2015

DC is her Safe Space.

You...leave...Cathy....alone!!!

swinokur · Nov 21, 2015

just substitute names.

engineerbrian · Nov 21, 2015

BigSteve57 said:
My company has no official policy AFAIK.
But I have actually gamed this where I work about 10 years ago.

I happen to have an office that's on an outer wall near an entry way so I might be able to make it out of the building in a hurry if such a situation presented itself. But what if I'm not in my office or the entrance near my office was the one used by the shooter?

My office credenza and shelves make a ladder of sorts where I could get to the ceiling fairly quickly. There are similar arrangements in meeting and other rooms/offices throughout the building that would afford similar hasty retreats. There are also nooks in the warehouse where you could lose yourself but that's not a predictable arrangement.

The ceiling where I work is a dropped acoustical tile type that's easy to get through. Once through the ceiling I could make my way (I think) across the various office partitions to pretty much anywhere I wished. At least that's what I've seen the facilities guys do when they're stringing things like network cables. Heck I used to do it myself when I was more "junior", so to speak.

If I made it up to the ceiling and couldn't move about I bet I'd be OK as I'm betting that an active shooter would not be shooting randomly into the ceiling.

I'm not sure if you are serious about this or not, but this facility guy wouldn't even try going into a ceiling to hide, let alone travel. It's more or less impossible.

swinokur · Nov 21, 2015

too many Hollywood movies? ceiling panels can't support any weight other than their own.

most supply ducts in a typical office don't have access panels AFAIK,.

engineerbrian · Nov 21, 2015

swinokur said:
too many Hollywood movies? ceiling panels can't support any weight other than their own.

most supply ducts in a typical office don't have access panels AFAIK,.

I could make an entire thread why this is either a bad idea or won't work

As for the HVAC ducts, even if they have panels (and you fit in the duct work) where are you going :shrug:

iH8DemLibz · Nov 21, 2015

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