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Free to go and drive away???
That's terrible advice. You're likely to end up in jail best case or with a bullet in you worst case.
I have never had a cop pull me over for a traffic violation and spontaneously ask whether I have a firearm on me. If they ask it's because they see something that gives them a reason to ask.
LOLNevada???? WTH is wrong with you?
Um, I only glanced at a few posts here. Appreciate the insight from the patrol LEO, that's solid advice and should help people to understand - play nice, everything will turn out alright.
Brady, Bunny, Bundy Ranch? What the ^$%#$? Why are people getting pulled over going to/from a ranch, and why should we care too much about whores or guns in Nevada?
How about this:
Officer - Do you have any weapons?
You - No sir, nothing illegal in this car.
Officer - Mind if I check?
You - I'd rather you not, I'll be late to my ...
Officer - If you have nothing to hide, then you don't mind if I take a look, right?
You - Officer, I've been very cooperative with you; and I understand you have a job to do, I just ask that you respect my rights the same way I respect your authority. Fair enough?
Officer - Have a nice day.
or
Officer - Do you have anything illegal in the car, drugs, guns, dead prostitutes?
You - Nothing illegal here officer; however I do have empty target rifle in a case in my trunk, I am on my way to the range.
Officer - What range do you go to?
You - AGC, you should join us sometime.
Officer - I might, I shoot at Berwyn, I help with the youth training program when I can.
You - I've taken my son there a few times, you might have taught him, thanks.
Officer - I thought I recognized your car; hey, have a good day.
You - you too, see you around.
Any other scenarios I can think of probably fall into the rare 2% of the times police have to interact with criminals.
Brady, Bunny, Bundy Ranch? What the ^$%#$? Why are people getting pulled over going to/from a ranch, and why should we care too much about whores or guns in Nevada?
How about this:
Officer - Do you have any weapons?
You - No sir, nothing illegal in this car.
Officer - Mind if I check?
You - I'd rather you not, I'll be late to my ...
Officer - If you have nothing to hide, then you don't mind if I take a look, right?
You - Officer, I've been very cooperative with you; and I understand you have a job to do, I just ask that you respect my rights the same way I respect your authority. Fair enough?
Officer - Have a nice day.
or
Officer - Do you have anything illegal in the car, drugs, guns, dead prostitutes?
You - Nothing illegal here officer; however I do have empty target rifle in a case in my trunk, I am on my way to the range.
Officer - What range do you go to?
You - AGC, you should join us sometime.
Officer - I might, I shoot at Berwyn, I help with the youth training program when I can.
You - I've taken my son there a few times, you might have taught him, thanks.
Officer - I thought I recognized your car; hey, have a good day.
You - you too, see you around.
Any other scenarios I can think of probably fall into the rare 2% of the times police have to interact with criminals.
Mooseman
R.I.P.- Hooligan #4
When I am pulled over for a traffic stop I am a "yes sir, no sir, thank you very much sir" kind of person. Only once was I ever asked if I had any weapons in the car. It was a rookie there with his training officer that asked me this question. It just so happens that I was on my way to the range. I responded, "yes sir, in my trunk, I am on my way to the range for some target shooting. The training officer smiled and said, "I wish we could join you but we have to keep working". We discussed guns for a few minutes and he mentioned that he belonged to the same range as I do. He let me go with just a verbal warning. They never asked to look in the trunk.
Straightshooter
Ultimate Member
This wasn't a case of the cop seeing the drivers Fl CCW. The car was stopped after a tag reader picked up the fl plate and flagged it as belonging to a permit holder. MD is connected to fl ccw database by the fact that fl tags are connected and that info is displayed with the tag info,and that was the only reason he was pulled over.
Anotherpyr
Ultimate Member
Quick summary, Bundy is having a dispute with federal land management over grazing his cattle on federal land. The laws were changed to protect an endangered species. Bundy didn't agree and kept crazing his cattle on the land and stop paying for the right to do so. So the situation is escalating. Now we have Texas militia members going out to the farm to defend him.
So another standoff is brewing. I assume the police are stopping out of state cars headed there in an attempt to prevent this from getting any further out of control.
Sirex
Powered by natural gas
Why would you pull over if a police officer was behind you in the first place? Did you NEVER watch the Dukes of Hazard?
CypherPunk
Opinions Are My Own
- Apr 6, 2012
- 3,907
I think it was my grandfather who told me, "never tell a police officer 'you can't do that', or a judge that he's wrong."
Venge
Active Member
What are the rules though? Honestly, the few times I've been asked if I was armed, I've just told the officer no (because I wasn't), so it's never been a practical issue for me.
I get confused sometimes with all the bogus information floating around about what the law is, and I get people talking about the "right to remain silent" when arrested vs not arrested, etc.
For example, given that I have a right to remain silent, what's to stop me from rolling down my window, keeping my hands on the wheel and staring slackjawed out the window when the officer approaches, never uttering a word. If I have a right to remain silent, is this protected? I understand it's supposed to keep me from incriminating myself, but nearly anything I say could "incriminate" me given the right circumstances.
Now, I'm not an idiot, even though I'm pretending to be. I know exactly what would happen if I did that. What I want to know is, why would I be dragged out of my car and searched for my ID (that is, what would the legal justification be)? If I have the right to remain silent, how does that interact with the function of the police officer whose job it is to stop me and find out who I am when I am speeding?
Oooh even more interesting... is our cooperation with officers during a traffic stop merely a voluntary protocol on our part to make an inherently unpleasant thing (being detained and identified) more pleasant?
As a side note, it's this exact dynamic that makes me bristle at "speed limit", "seatbelt" and "helmet" laws in general. It's not the spirit of them I'm against, it's the implications.
Ok, this is agreeably kinda silly. While I haven't been pulled over many times I am convinced if I am polite and realize the police are just doing their job things should be fine. I would be honest, esp if asked a direct question. Not sure if I would wait until the Leo asked or just give him a permit with my lisc.
I think being pulled over is a lot different than say a check point. At a check point you have not been stopped and "detained". Am I correct?
TD
I think being pulled over is a lot different than say a check point. At a check point you have not been stopped and "detained". Am I correct?
TD
I've used it me personally, many times while a police officer, and I just retired last September. It is on the MILES side of the system, and it is called MGUN. No emails, no administrative messages, just direct access.
As far as I know HQLs are not there, but carry permits and firearm registrations sure are.
Maybe things have changed since I retired, but I doubt it.
PO2012
Active Member
- Oct 24, 2013
- 815
The legal justification would be the fact that you cannot be issued a citation without displaying a valid ID. The Officer in those cases is either required to release you with a verbal warning or place you under arrest. The reason for this is the fact that you can give a false name, date of birth and address and either a) avoid the citation or b) give the personal data of an innocent person who will then have a warrant for their arrest when they don't show up to court because they were never stopped and made aware of the citation. The latter happens more often than you'd think. In addition, the right to remain silent does not apply to giving your name and date of birth.
Here's what's actually required on a traffic stop:
1) stop when the Officer turns on his lights/sirens
2) do not leave the scene or exit the vehicle until released by the Officer
3) present a valid photo id / driver's license
4) present the vehicle's registration
5) sign the citation if one is issued
You don't have to have a conversation with the Officer and you don't have to answer any questions. Be aware that under MD law, if you refuse to sign a citation you will be issued another citation for failure to sign the first one and if after that you continue to refuse you will be arrested. If the Officer asks "Do you know why I stopped you?" you are not required to answer. You are also not required to acknowledge not wearing a seat belt etc. If the Officer has stopped you because he has reason to believe that you are in the area to commit a burglary, solicit prostitution etc and he asks what your business is I would suggest simply telling him where you're going. More than likely you will be sent on your way. Sarcastic or profane answers will lengthen the stop considerably.
PO2012
Active Member
- Oct 24, 2013
- 815
We have access to a secure system called Maryland Criminal Justice Dashboard which can be accessed via any internet browser. Included in that system are all MVA records, criminal history records, a death master file etc. One of the databases is MSP Guns which (theoretically) lists ever registered firearm in Maryland. If I enter a person's biographical data I can see if they have a registered weapon.
ericoak
don't drop Aboma on me
That is pretty scary. God I hope we never allow it to come to that nationally.
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
- 23,932
I think all of you are idiots!! The OP's initial advice is spot on and should be followed by any and all motorists and is the ONLY proper procedure when being stopped by the pigs.
The only thing I would change is after the first time if you say "Am I free to go?" and he says no you get your ass out of there after smashing on the gas. Don't let that pig get you down!! Hit it and run. As long as you make it home and yell "Olly Olly Oxen Free" he can't touch you!!
The only thing I would change is after the first time if you say "Am I free to go?" and he says no you get your ass out of there after smashing on the gas. Don't let that pig get you down!! Hit it and run. As long as you make it home and yell "Olly Olly Oxen Free" he can't touch you!!
Blacksmith101
Grumpy Old Man
- Jun 22, 2012
- 22,301
Be sure to jump the river where the bridge is washed out so he can't follow you. And yell YAHOO while you are doing it.
Agree....
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