Stripped lowers legal?

foodpoison · Jul 11, 2014

how should they be able to tell u not to build something you can buy. MD SUCKS

reptileguy99 · Jul 11, 2014

I been wanting to do a pistol ar the wife is going to leave me lol

dtmeyers · Jul 11, 2014

Here we go again with the 80% lower question

MattFive · Jul 11, 2014

dtmeyers said:
Here we go again with the 80% lower question

Except the OP actually meant 100% finished stripped lowers. As in a stripped lower that is ready to take an LPK and be made into a legal format.

NoFro · Jul 11, 2014

firemanyz said:
Please PM me the easton FFL info as I'm not far from there. Thanks

Patriot Enterprises LLC - the owner posted in a firearms group "We are also selling Stripped AR lowers to MD residents...NO HQL REQUIRED!"

fidelity · Jul 11, 2014

Interesting. The MD handgun board must have inspired confidence through the addition of new AR pistols to the roster. So will the different FFLs sell the lowers as "HBARs" just requiring a NICS check or pistols requiring an HQL and state of MD paperwork? While a lack of challenge to the former might encourage face-to-face sales by private citizens, successful selling through the HQL route indicates a more direct blessing from the state. Or is this off?

The sphinx · Jul 11, 2014

NoFro said:
Patriot Enterprises LLC - the owner posted in a firearms group "We are also selling Stripped AR lowers to MD residents...NO HQL REQUIRED!"

Patriot enterprises a great shop. The owner is a standout guy.

NateIU10 · Jul 11, 2014

fidelity said:
Interesting. The MD handgun board must have inspired confidence through the addition of new AR pistols to the roster. So will the different FFLs sell the lowers as "HBARs" just requiring a NICS check or pistols requiring an HQL and state of MD paperwork? While a lack of challenge to the former might encourage face-to-face sales by private citizens, successful selling through the HQL route indicates a more direct blessing from the state. Or is this off?

This, IMO, has nothing to do with the roster board. They are selling them on 77rs, but that makes no sense to me, as they are not regulated firearms (not under 5-101(r)(2) as it would be banned, and not a handgun as it has no barrel.) They should be cash and carry.

annihilation-time · Jul 11, 2014

Looks like I might just have to bite that HQL bullet.

Independence · Jul 11, 2014

NateIU10 said:
This, IMO, has nothing to do with the roster board. They are selling them on 77rs, but that makes no sense to me, as they are not regulated firearms (not under 5-101(r)(2) as it would be banned, and not a handgun as it has no barrel.) They should be cash and carry.

Would it be classified as Other?

NateIU10 · Jul 11, 2014

Independence said:
Would it be classified as Other?

Federally it is an other, there is no question about that. Under state law, IMO, it does not meet the definition of a regulated firearm. You should be able to walk into a MD FFL as a MD resident and walk out with any firearm receiver.

tc617 · Jul 11, 2014

NateIU10 said:
This, IMO, has nothing to do with the roster board. They are selling them on 77rs, but that makes no sense to me, as they are not regulated firearms (not under 5-101(r)(2) as it would be banned, and not a handgun as it has no barrel.) They should be cash and carry.

You would think so but stripped receivers have always transferred I Maryland on a 77R because they could be built into handguns.

annihilation-time · Jul 11, 2014

I feel like filling out a 77R is total BS, BUT I'll take what I can get these days.

NateIU10 · Jul 11, 2014

tc617 said:
You would think so but stripped receivers have always transferred I Maryland on a 77R because they could be built into handguns.

The reasoning wasn't that they could be built into handguns. They reasoned that, because the definition of regulated firearm included firearm, firearm includes "the frame or receiver." Therefore, the frame or receiver is itself an assault long gun/regulated firearm. I have always advocated for the fact that AR lowers should be cash and carry.

NateIU10 · Jul 11, 2014

annihilation-time said:
I feel like filling out a 77R is total BS, BUT I'll take what I can get these days.

Don't settle. Push back. It has gotten us some ground here, don't let it stay where they think it should be.

mikemike328 · Jul 11, 2014

another question with no 100% answer

Biggfoot44 · Jul 12, 2014

This isn't *another* question with no answer , it is one of the primary long term questions with no answer.

Nate explained their reasoning in #34 . For going on 20 years , MSP has treated AR-15 recievers as Assult Rifle ( or terminology of the day) as the weapon itself. Their is a facially coherent line of reasoning that MSP was wrong the whole time. To now have MSP officially admit they wrong all those years would be quite the sight.

All that said , I can't imagine any scenario that would have them on 77R's at present. They would either be banned , or cash and carry.

shiner500 · Jul 12, 2014

So what does this mean?

kalister1 · Jul 12, 2014

shiner500 said:
So what does this mean?

Go to the shop in question and buy one if you want it.

annihilation-time · Jul 12, 2014

NateIU10 said:
Don't settle. Push back. It has gotten us some ground here, don't let it stay where they think it should be.

I always do, but I'll still take what I can get today.

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