Is it legal to build an AK on a pre-10/1 receiver?

tc617 · Jul 31, 2014

If you purchased or made an AK receiver prior to October 1, 2013, is it legal to build an AK rifle on it today, thus making an ALG?

Any thoughts?

Jaybeez · Jul 31, 2014

a complete receiver is a complete firearm in the eyes of the law. you owned an ALG prior to 10/1 if you owned the receiver.

so, yes.

pitpawten · Jul 31, 2014

Jaybeez said:
a complete receiver is a complete firearm in the eyes of the law. you owned an ALG prior to 10/1 if you owned the receiver.

so, yes.

Hrm, I like this answer, but it doesn't seem to jive with the guidance Nate was giving over in the "No more SBR's" thread (IIUC).

Might want to have a quick looksee over there too just to make sure MSP hasnt flip-flopped recently WRT what exactly a receiver is.

Hopefully different situations or I misunderstood...

wbw2123 · Jul 31, 2014

One aspect of this has been discussed in a number of other threads.

The folks that temporarily assembled all of their receivers prior to October 2013 are good to go. Each one of my receivers had a barrel/trunnion or upper bolted to it before the ban. I'm sure yours did too.

I don't know the answer for those that didn't.

Right_to_arm_bears · Jul 31, 2014

These laws are so hilariously ridiculous. Just go by this:

To play it safe, any firearm you own was purchased before October 1, 2013. If they inspect further, you lost your entire collection in a terrible canoeing accident. If they ask why you didn't report them as lost, say check their "system" again. Then pack up and leave this state.

Alphabrew · Jul 31, 2014

Wow, this law is so effed up.

RoboRay · Jul 31, 2014

pitpawten said:
Hrm, I like this answer, but it doesn't seem to jive with the guidance Nate was giving over in the "No more SBR's" thread (IIUC).

Might want to have a quick looksee over there too just to make sure MSP hasnt flip-flopped recently WRT what exactly a receiver is.

Hopefully different situations or I misunderstood...

SBRs are a totally different scenario; creating one of them is legally (per the NFA) manufacturing a new firearm.

Attaching non-NFA parts to an existing receiver (stripped or not) is not legally manufacturing a new firearm. The firearm (the receiver) already exists.

foodpoison · Jul 31, 2014

I certainly hope so. I recall AG confirming this prior to the ban hammer dropping

pitpawten · Aug 1, 2014

RoboRay said:
SBRs are a totally different scenario; creating one of them is legally (per the NFA) manufacturing a new firearm.

Yeah, I get that.

I was actually talking about pre-10/1 AK receivers and the question of whether or not they were ALG's before 10/1.

NateIU10 said:
If you possessed an Assault Long Gun prior to 10/1/2013, you may continue to possess it.

[...]

The issue arises more, in my mind, with AKs and their variants. A pre 10/1 AK receiver was not an ALG. Can you build it into a rifle now that is an ALG? Again, relatively unanswered, but I would tend to think that it is not legal to do so. I see no differentiation between pre and post 10/1 lowers.

It just happened to come up in that "SBR" thread.

teratos · Aug 1, 2014

The receiver IS the firearm. If it was purchased pre-October, it is grandfathered. Build away.

The State has always considered the receiver the firearm, a grandfathered firearm is a grandfathered firearm. They cannot say it is only grandfathered if it were built. They can't have it both ways.

NateIU10 · Aug 1, 2014

teratos said:
The receiver IS the firearm. If it was purchased pre-October, it is grandfathered. Build away.

The State has always considered the receiver the firearm, a grandfathered firearm is a grandfathered firearm. They cannot say it is only grandfathered if it were built. They can't have it both ways.

A receiver is a firearm. An ALG is a firearm. The possession restrictions apply to ALGs, not all firearms. I cannot take a pre 10/1 HBAR and put an m4 upper on it now, as I did not possess an ALG before 10/1.

teratos · Aug 1, 2014

NateIU10 said:
A receiver is a firearm. An ALG is a firearm. The possession restrictions apply to ALGs, not all firearms. I cannot take a pre 10/1 HBAR and put an m4 upper on it now, as I did not possess an ALG before 10/1.

If I had a non-HBAR upper on my HBAR receiver just once, I can do anything I want with it. I did that with all of the receivers I bought. Prove I didn't.

NateIU10 · Aug 1, 2014

teratos said:
If I had a non-HBAR upper on my HBAR receiver just once, I can do anything I want with it. I did that with all of the receivers I bought. Prove I didn't.

In addition to upper, it would have to have a stock.

teratos · Aug 1, 2014

NateIU10 said:
In addition to upper, it would have to have a stock.

Easy enough. Did that too.

OrbitalEllipses · Aug 1, 2014

Talking about HBARs in the AK thread...tisk tisk.

I think we should talk about the legality of all receivers and how we can build pistols out of banned ALG platforms.

HauptsAriba · Aug 3, 2014

teratos said:
The receiver IS the firearm. If it was purchased pre-October, it is grandfathered. Build away.

The State has always considered the receiver the firearm, a grandfathered firearm is a grandfathered firearm. They cannot say it is only grandfathered if it were built. They can't have it both ways.

Well I agree with you, however they call an SBR a pistol,and an assault long gun, so...

Alphabrew · Aug 3, 2014

You guys should see my M1A pistol

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