Knuc
Active Member
Took my Utah class last March no live fire involved.
Don't get me wrong - I agree with all of what you said and given the choice between what we currently have and a shall issue state with the training requirement, I would take the latter all day long.
However, in the second case we are still allowing the government to make decisions on our behalf thinking they know what is best for us. They are portioning out rights provided under the constitution and they shouldn't be able to do so.
Given MD's propensity to take a mile when given an inch, I am very much againt giving them even a millimeter.
I think this is reasonable.
7) Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services or a similar agency of another state or,
Me too, I just hope our noble legislators agree.I think this is reasonable.
Wait a minute....
Is Smigiel the only one pushing for a new training requirement?
Wait a minute....
Is Smigiel the only one pushing for a new training requirement?
7) Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services or a similar agency of another state or,...
Wait a minute....
Is Smigiel the only one pushing for a new training requirement?
One of the problems is FL Dept. of Agriculture who reviews apps doesn't tell anyone it is required. Jim Reynolds (proshooter) who owns Proactive Shooters is one of the UT instructors who does know the law and he even tells students who take his UT class he will provide live fire training for those who want to use their UT certificate to get FL. Some instructors who provide training certs for FL students aren't even aware of the statute. They risk liability if they provide a cert that the student got training but omitted live fire.
here is the link to the statute
Not quite accurate, below is taken from the Fla Application. Proficiency does not always mean "Live Fire" as part of that. I now understand what you mean but many folks have a NRA or other basic firearms safety training certificate that meets the requirement but Live Fire was not part of it, nor does the rules say specifically "Live Fire". Again, not trying to be combative, but no where in the Fla rules does it specifically require live fire. My NRA class did not include live fire, I sent them a copy of that and my DD214 and had no issue and got my permit. In fact, alot of guys with DD214's never touched a gun and would meet the requirement as long as the got out with an honorable.
next update from him......
Michael Smigiel
The language I am proposing is as follows:
"The applicant shall demonstrate competence with a handgun by one of the following:
1) Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition approved by the Department of State Police or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services or,
2) Retirement from or current employment with a local, state federal police department or,
3) Completion of a hunter safety course or,
4) Completion of any firearms course approved by the Maryland Police Training Commission or,
5) Possession of an out of State permit(s) to carry a concealed weapon which required completion of a safety course requirement or,
6) Completion of another other nationally recognized training organization’s firearms safety course or,
7) Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services or a similar agency of another state or,
8) Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement or,
9) Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this state or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause.
next update from him......
Michael Smigiel
The language I am proposing is as follows:
"The applicant shall demonstrate competence with a handgun by one of the following:
1) Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition approved by the Department of State Police or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services or,
2) Retirement from or current employment with a local, state federal police department or,
3) Completion of a hunter safety course or,
4) Completion of any firearms course approved by the Maryland Police Training Commission or,
5) Possession of an out of State permit(s) to carry a concealed weapon which required completion of a safety course requirement or,
6) Completion of another other nationally recognized training organization’s firearms safety course or,
7) Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services or a similar agency of another state or,
8) Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement or,
9) Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this state or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause.
My question is which bill?
Details are lacking, I'm interested in seeing who "they" are...