ACLU dipping a toe in the 2A fight

ryu · Jan 28, 2015

https://www.aclu.org/blog/technolog...ed-monitor-gun-show-attendees-license-plate-r

They're mainly against the blanket use of license-plate readers to track where people go and with whom they associate. In this case, a FOIA request uncovered a DEA/ATF proposal to track cars at gun shows. DEA says it was just a proposal and never implemented.

"We [the ACLU] have serious concerns about using the technology in a way that is specifically targeted at people exercising their constitutionally protected rights." (although the rest of the article focuses on the right to peacefully assemble).

Mark75H · Jan 28, 2015

More of a 4th Amendment issue than 2nd

DC-W · Jan 28, 2015

It's a 4th issue that potentially aids in infringing the 2nd in this case -- at least that's what it looks like.

Skipper · Jan 30, 2015

Hmm, could this be the ACLU actually showing some intellectual integrity?

danb · Jan 30, 2015

Police militarization, gun registry privacy (yes, they did oppose it when it was proposed in 2013)... very slowly we may get a changing of the guard.

Someday they may even catch on to how the 2A protects the 4a (see below)!

swinokur · Jan 30, 2015

Skipper said:
Hmm, could this be the ACLU actually showing some intellectual integrity?

it's only temporary.

BeoBill · Jan 30, 2015

Skipper said:
Hmm, could this be the ACLU actually showing some intellectual integrity?

No, they had a fall recently and are temporarily confused due to a possible concussion. They'll be fine after some rest...

Brooklyn · Jan 30, 2015

swinokur said:
it's only temporary.

Don't be so sure.. ACLU is runing out of benefactors...

I speak with these folks when I can,and I push them to ask why the government should be allowed to redefine words...

Overtime we can make progress..

Brooklyn · Jan 30, 2015

Mark75H said:
More of a 4th Amendment issue than 2nd

Note the claim that the 2a is a protected right..

That's a body blow to the big O.

We need all the help we can get..

Take it with a smile..

MJD438 · Jan 30, 2015

Brooklyn said:
Note the claim that the 2a is a protected right..

That's a body blow to the big O.

We need all the help we can get..

Take it with a smile..

I am not seeing any mention of 2A, only one specific use of the words "First Amendment", several references to the right of peaceful assembly, and one ambiguous reference to "constitutionally protected rights". IMO, the presser was very carefully worded to ensure that they are fighting this on 1A grounds, and specifically avoiding the 2A implications.

5.56blaster · Jan 30, 2015

Fear your government its out of control.

Brooklyn · Jan 30, 2015

MJD438 said:
I am not seeing any mention of 2A, only one specific use of the words "First Amendment", several references to the right of peaceful assembly, and one ambiguous reference to "constitutionally protected rights". IMO, the presser was very carefully worded to ensure that they are fighting this on 1A grounds, and specifically avoiding the 2A implications.

Which means we do it for them. Then force them to deny. They will not. The court has spoken.

They need to protect their funding. But they also need to protect their credibility.

When they win we win...when we win they lose.. I can live with that,and use it to mess with liberals.

I play dirty.

Tyeraxus · Jan 31, 2015

MJD438 said:
I am not seeing any mention of 2A, only one specific use of the words "First Amendment", several references to the right of peaceful assembly, and one ambiguous reference to "constitutionally protected rights". IMO, the presser was very carefully worded to ensure that they are fighting this on 1A grounds, and specifically avoiding the 2A implications.

The national level ACLU is very uncomfortable with the 2A. Apparently a HUGE chunk of their funding comes from lib/prog donors who lean anti-RKBA, so they're afraid if they take explicitly pro-2A stances, the cash will dry up and they'll have to fold. The public stance is that they thought Miller said 2A is a collective, not an individual, right, and they are "reevaluating" in light of Heller (and need subsequent cases to clear up ambiguities).

Behind the scenes and off the record, some ACLU members/coordinators are willing to say "NRA/SAF/GOA are much better than us at this anyway, and we'll support 1A/4A/etc arguments in 2A cases if we can get away with it." State-level ACLU chapters do their own thing, and IIRC, Nevada ACLU explicitly recognizes 2A as an individual right.

Mark75H · Jan 31, 2015

Tyeraxus said:
Behind the scenes and off the record, some ACLU members/coordinators are willing to say "NRA/SAF/GOA are much better than us at this anyway, and we'll support 1A/4A/etc arguments in 2A cases if we can get away with it." State-level ACLU chapters do their own thing, and IIRC, Nevada ACLU explicitly recognizes 2A as an individual right.

From behind the curtain, those are the exact words I heard too. Like its being read from a script.

traveller · Jan 31, 2015

ACLU filed the lawsuit against South Dakotas law to issue carry permits only to US citizens. This is not the first time they are 'dipping their toes' into 2A litigation.

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