Gratuitous loan question

K31 · Apr 28, 2015

iH8DemLibz said:
I'd be more concerned about magazine transfer.

Unless you have some 10 rounders laying around.

All Doctor's magazines are older than 50 years and therefore C&R.

erwos · Apr 28, 2015

I am going to completely disagree. FSA2013 makes it clear you cannot even possess a banned assault weapon unless you possessed it when it was grandfathered in. Loaning it to someone puts it in their possession, albeit temporarily, and that would seem to be illegal. I would not want to be the test case in this situation.

Traveler · Apr 28, 2015

outrider58 · Apr 28, 2015

teratos said:
Can I loan an non-HBAR AR to a friend?

Loan::noun

Lend::verb

The grammar Nazis have struck again!

Traveler · Apr 28, 2015

outrider58 said:
Loan::noun

Lend::verb

The grammar Nazis have struck again!

outrider58 · Apr 28, 2015

Traveler said:

Grandpa! Just before shipping out to fight the Huns.

Traveler · Apr 28, 2015

Admit it, your Grandpa WAS a Hun.

5.56blaster · Apr 28, 2015

iH8DemLibz said:
Not if he grinds the serial number off first.

Dear ATF: I'm joking.

Thats GREAT!! :party29:

outrider58 · Apr 28, 2015

Traveler said:
Admit it, your Grandpa WAS a Hun.

He was incognito... :innocent0

Traveler · Apr 28, 2015

outrider58 said:
He was incognito...

NAZI CLOWN SPY!!!

outrider58 · Apr 28, 2015

Traveler said:
NAZI CLOWN SPY!!!

Yer just jealous! :moon:

Traveler · Apr 28, 2015

outrider58 said:
Yer just jealous!

It's true. Just micks in my family.

outrider58 · Apr 28, 2015

Traveler said:
It's true. Just micks in my family.

Suckers!

or are those Dum-Dums? :smoke:

teratos · Apr 28, 2015

erwos said:
I am going to completely disagree. FSA2013 makes it clear you cannot even possess a banned assault weapon unless you possessed it when it was grandfathered in. Loaning it to someone puts it in their possession, albeit temporarily, and that would seem to be illegal. I would not want to be the test case in this situation.

I thought that, but was hoping I was wrong. Oh, well. He gets my Mossberg.

zoostation · Apr 28, 2015

teratos said:
That's how I look at it. A loan is not a transfer of ownership, it is a transfer of possession. IANAL.

Remember, FSA 2013 was passed after that gratuitous loan decision. Meaning seems clear to me, but I wouldn't bet too much on the generosity or consistency of the MD appellate courts.

Brooklyn · Apr 29, 2015

teratos said:
Retired, career army.

Wow... And still not prepared.. Hopefully for the last time..

KPSpeller · Apr 29, 2015

At the Fed level, "lend" is not an applicable term. The Fed only recognizes the word "transfer". Remember, if you lend someone an old AR15 with a worn seer.... your have "transfered an automatic weapon".

ohen cepel · Apr 29, 2015

WOW, retired military and unarmed?!?!?!?!?
(I am one so am authorized to harass said person).

I would NOT loan them ANYTHING aside from advice.

I would SELL them said shotgun for $2,000. Stupidity should be painful.

Again from one military retiree to another.

Objee · Apr 29, 2015

Boom Boom said:
The rifle in question was regulated and is now banned. Like I said, it's about CYA. Never forget that most of MD state govt hates you with a passion.

The legalstatus of a rifle is irrelevant when it comes to an HQL.

HQLs are for handguns, not for rifles.

It has nothing to do with CYA.

daggo66 · Apr 29, 2015

erwos said:
I am going to completely disagree. FSA2013 makes it clear you cannot even possess a banned assault weapon unless you possessed it when it was grandfathered in. Loaning it to someone puts it in their possession, albeit temporarily, and that would seem to be illegal. I would not want to be the test case in this situation.

I disagree with your disagreement. We have been round and round with this. Legal definitions are very different from everyday definitions. Transfer in this case is considered transferring ownership. You are not transferring the firearm when you loan it to someone. It is still yours.

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