I don't see BATF allowing a previously approved form 1 >29' to be shortend to <29" after 10-13 and then becoming a copycat according to 281.
who knows
who knows
Pre 10/1 stripper lower form 1 not grandfathered?
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OrbitalEllipses
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Agree. However, as long as you readily retain the original configuration, they do not need to notified. At this point you're violating state law though. I wouldn't recommend it.
exactly. if BATF wouldn't approve one now(<29") because of 281, just putting a barrel on it that then makes it <29" is not a good idea.
I would be more confident doing it on a pre 10-13 lower however, but they might say you "made" the weapon after 10-13 and nix that too.
who knows?
I would be more confident doing it on a pre 10-13 lower however, but they might say you "made" the weapon after 10-13 and nix that too.
who knows?
Agreed... if it gets done at > 29", it will have to likely stay that way to just keep on the right side of all the dang laws..
how very MSPish of them.
Is this the dispute?
"I bought a lower pre-10/2013, it was built into a rifle (no way to prove against) pre 10/2013, now I wish to change it into an SBR"
vs.
"I bought a lower pre-10/2013, and until now I claim it has been nothing (unprovable). Now I want to put a < 16" barrel on it."
More shameful cruft. Laws for the sake of scoring political points and nothing else.
"I bought a lower pre-10/2013, it was built into a rifle (no way to prove against) pre 10/2013, now I wish to change it into an SBR"
vs.
"I bought a lower pre-10/2013, and until now I claim it has been nothing (unprovable). Now I want to put a < 16" barrel on it."
More shameful cruft. Laws for the sake of scoring political points and nothing else.
OrbitalEllipses
Ultimate Member
I wouldn't exactly call Marlene the, ahem, most knowledgeable of MSP staff. She's civvie anyhow.
Don't get me wrong, she's always been nice and helpful with Roster Board stuff.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
Yep, my wife thought I was nuts building up all the lowers into rifles before October 1, 2013.
NateIU10
Ultimate Member
If I were MSP, no, that would not be my argument. I would argue that lowers are not regulated firearms themselves. A person can possess an ALG they possessed before 10/1. A person can possess a Copycat possessed before 10/1. If I take a lower and made it into an ALG pre 10/1, I still can't make it a Copycat after 10/1, as I did not possess a Copycat Weapon before 10/1.
Though, I find it a foolhardy argument that an SBR is subject to the Copycat test for rifles. Small steps at a time, but that is being pushed also.
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However, MSP has told BATFE and they have accepted that a pre-10/1 rifle can be made into s shorter than 29" SBR.
Makes NO sense to treat a pre-10/1 lower any differently.
Makes NO sense to treat a pre-10/1 lower any differently.
moojersey
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Um strippers AND lowers ? Where is this place?
My pre 10/1 lowers all had an upper with all the evil features attached before 10/1. Prove they didn't.
