Chief Lanier's order on Palmer Ruling.

highwayheat · Jul 29, 2014

I created a seperate post so it would be easier than digging through an entire thread.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/235287714/DC-Chief-of-Police-Order-in-response-to-concealed-carry-ruling

mdram · Jul 29, 2014

question given her scenarios

Maryland requires a permit, but its impossible to obtain, and they do not honor other states

can maryland residents carry in dc?

eruby · Jul 29, 2014

mdram said:
question given her scenarios

Maryland requires a permit, but its impossible to obtain, and they do not honor other states

can maryland residents carry in dc?

Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know. Can you repeat the question?

NOT trying to be a schmuckatelli, but the concensus seems to be NO permit is needed if you can posses a gun in your state.

yellowsled · Jul 29, 2014

mdram said:
question given her scenarios

Maryland requires a permit, but its impossible to obtain, and they do not honor other states

can maryland residents carry in dc?

excellent question

mdram · Jul 29, 2014

eruby said:
Yes. No. Maybe. I don't know. Can you repeat the question?

NOT trying to be a schmuckatelli, but the concensus seems to be NO permit is needed if you can posses a gun in your state.

posses or carry, that is the question

eruby · Jul 29, 2014

mdram said:
posses or carry, that is the question

Exactly, thought the 'OR' in the order in re possess in your state or have a valid permit (doesn't specify it must be your home state) is the kicker.

If one is a non-District resident, legal possession of a handgun in the District is based on the laws of their home state or in the state in which a person has a valid permit to carry

Topher · Jul 29, 2014

I would feel more comfortable if whom ever the AG is for DC put out at statement also.
Just because the police say they will not arrest doesn't mean the city will not view it as a crime.

Lanier is only one piece of the puzzle IMHO.

Just my two cents in be over cautious.

fidelity · Jul 29, 2014

See Patrick's cautionary point here ...

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3313659

Mooseman · Jul 29, 2014

That clears things up. :confused:

highwayheat · Jul 29, 2014

I read it as Constitutional Carry as long as not prohibited by federal law of non-residents and carry allowed for residents that follow the DC registration requirements. I'm sure there will still be some LEO's in DC that will make it hard on you if you are carrying. Every department has them. I would print and carry a copy of the order just as a CYA if you decide to excercise your right. You probably still could get jammed up for the BS 10 round limit.

mdram · Jul 29, 2014

issue is the scenarios she posted do not cover someone with a permit from a state in which they do not live
only states that do not require permits

eruby · Jul 29, 2014

mdram said:
issue is the scenarios she posted do not cover someone with a permit from a state in which they do not live
only states that do not require permits

The scenarios are indeed bullcookies.

Again, the concensus is no permit is needed. DC residents must have a registered handgun and registered ammo. Non DC residents don't need registered guns/ammo.

mdram · Jul 29, 2014

eruby said:
The scenarios are indeed bullcookies.

Again, the concensus is no permit is needed. DC residents must have a registered handgun and registered ammo. Non DC residents don't need registered guns/ammo.

while i agree with you, its how the leo's are instructed to follow the direction.

eruby · Jul 29, 2014

mdram said:
while i agree with you, its how the leo's are instructed to follow the direction.

I agree with you.

swinokur · Jul 29, 2014

here is an amended version, which MPD says is for clarification. IMO, it doesn't clarify the directive but instructs officer they cannot stop you without RAS or PC of a crime. IOW, you cannot be stopped just to "check your papers"

mdram · Jul 29, 2014

well this line kinda clears it up

"If one is a non-District resident, legal possession of a handgun in the District is based on the laws of their home state or in the state in which a person has a valid permit to carry.
Additional information on the laws in other jurisdictions will be forthcoming. In the mean-time contact the 24- hour information line listed below."

swinokur · Jul 29, 2014

And if you are legal to possess in MD, you are legal to carry in DC. The portion about permits seems extraneous if you are legal to possess in any state.

IANAL

frogman68 · Jul 29, 2014

No carry Stay has been granted only 90 days

swinokur · Jul 29, 2014

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/29/federal-judge-grants-90-day-stay-dc-gun-case/

Norton · Jul 29, 2014

this was overlapping heavily with existing threads to start with. With the stay being invoked, it seems logical to contain the number of open threads.

Chief Lanier's order on Palmer Ruling.

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