MSP wanting to verify serial #?

American Rifleman · Feb 21, 2014

Thanks Lou for your comments and powwow thanks for the video. I haven't seen that before, I'm about half way through it, interesting stuff.

I did dig out the carbon copy and was able to clearly see that the serial number on the firearm and the paperwork are correct and legible on the paper. I will do more research and post my findings. Seems funny that they called an FFL (Lou), called pit bull (buyer?), and sent someone out other than themselves to my door.

nedsurf · Feb 21, 2014

According to the 77r, it is a "voluntary" registration for regulated firearms. Unless there is paperwork pending, or something I am not seeing, one could always reply to these phone calls/visits with revoking one's interest in continuing to be a "volunteer" with the registration process.

CrazySanMan · Feb 21, 2014

My first instinct was it was a scam resulting from the lack of security MSP had when they brought in all those additional state employees to work on apps. But you did right in following through and it does seem legit now.

SB281 Blaster · Feb 21, 2014

MSP makes mistakes from time to time when inputting information from the applications. Last month I followed-up on an application because I did not receive a "Not Disapproved" in a timely manner. They had the application recorded under a different dealer. They inputted my dealer number incorrectly and faxed the "Not Disaproved" to them, not me. I am sure this has happened with serial numbers. With an error rate of 1/10 of 1% on 100,000 applications, there will be 100 errors. I am sure they will have their hands full cleaning things up for some time to come. Just make sure they are who they are, and they provide all the surrounding information before volunteering any to them. I am waiting to hear about 8 day releases not being subsequently approved. That will be an interesting thread to say the least!

HoldFast · Feb 22, 2014

hmmmm city police, doesn't identify themselves properly?...shocker. All bs aside, living close to the city has granted me the misfortune of running into the BCP multiple times, and seeing how they conduct themselves this is no shocker.

Until I see a warrant they can pound sand.

Rockn93yj · Feb 22, 2014

About a month ago I had an officer "working for" the MSP call to verify the serial number on a Sig I purchased in Sept of last year. I asked questions and he had all my information. I asked which gun it was because I had made a few purchases and he was able to identify the model. I complied and gave the serial # best I could read it(print is small, blends in and my reading vision isn't that great). Nothing more heard from them since then. I'm guessing it was to see if I still had it in my possession or if it was a straw purchase.

TxAggie · Feb 22, 2014

I thought the state wasn't "supposed" to keep SN on individual firearms?

Oh right, we live in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. Sorry for my ignorance.

Threeband · Feb 22, 2014

Rockn93yj said:
... I'm guessing it was to see if I still had it in my possession or if it was a straw purchase.

??????????

Funny, because they don't even try to stop straw purchases at the point of sale, even when alerted by dealers.

Drmsparks · Feb 22, 2014

TxAggie said:
I thought the state wasn't "supposed" to keep SN on individual firearms?

Oh right, we live in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. Sorry for my ignorance.

Not true.

The state is forbidden from using federal dollars to maintain such a database.

The governor has made it clear that he does have the state maintain such a database and has it georeferenced so that they can easily pull up geographic areas and see all regulated firearms in any given area.

They have even shown screen captures at various IT conferences.

Benanov · Feb 22, 2014

Drmsparks said:
Not true.

The state is forbidden from using federal dollars to maintain such a database.

The governor has made it clear that he does have the state maintain such a database and has it georeferenced so that they can easily pull up geographic areas and see all regulated firearms in any given area.

They have even shown screen captures at various IT conferences.

I've never wanted to truncate a table more.

(For non-database folk: Truncate a table wipes it in one sweep and resets the primary key. Deleting all rows will log every row as a deletion and keeps the position of the primary key, so the next row entered would be able to be merged back into the original table without a collision.)

RwWilly · Feb 22, 2014

Benanov said:
I've never wanted to truncate a table more.

(For non-database folk: Truncate a table wipes it in one sweep and resets the primary key. Deleting all rows will log every row as a deletion and keeps the position of the primary key, so the next row entered would be able to be merged back into the original table without a collision.)

I don't know what it is or does. But I hope you get the chance!

PowPow · Feb 22, 2014

Benanov said:
I've never wanted to truncate a table more.

(For non-database folk: Truncate a table wipes it in one sweep and resets the primary key. Deleting all rows will log every row as a deletion and keeps the position of the primary key, so the next row entered would be able to be merged back into the original table without a collision.)

And in with some databases, you can simply delete the whole database (multiple tables) with one command. Nuke and pave!

Mooseman · Feb 22, 2014

This sounds very Gestapo like to me.

oldman12 · Feb 22, 2014

Mooseman said:
This sounds very Gestapo like to me.

Ding Ding, me too.Just a couple more infringements that's all. :sad20:

Phillipw39 · Feb 22, 2014

It would be good to determine if it is a scam, big brother or someone that can't type.

michaera · Feb 22, 2014

PowPow said:
It may seem like a scam or an innocent research inquiry. Be prepared. Watch this video if you have not yet done so.

Wow. Awesome. I'm glad I watched the whole thing. I thought it would be an anti cop rant but it was more precautionary. I'm glad they also had a cop address the class as well.

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A1Uni · Feb 22, 2014

SB281 Blaster said:
MSP makes mistakes from time to time when inputting information from the applications. Last month I followed-up on an application because I did not receive a "Not Disapproved" in a timely manner. They had the application recorded under a different dealer. They inputted my dealer number incorrectly and faxed the "Not Disaproved" to them, not me. I am sure this has happened with serial numbers. With an error rate of 1/10 of 1% on 100,000 applications, there will be 100 errors. I am sure they will have their hands full cleaning things up for some time to come. Just make sure they are who they are, and they provide all the surrounding information before volunteering any to them. I am waiting to hear about 8 day releases not being subsequently approved. That will be an interesting thread to say the least!

It happens. We had one recently.

MSP calls and asks if you released the gun, if they don't already know you did from the 77 hard copies being returned, and if you did release, they send folks out to retrieve the gun.

As long as a dealer did his due diligence, the buyer is the only one who has to worry.

A1Uni · Feb 22, 2014

TxAggie said:
I thought the state wasn't "supposed" to keep SN on individual firearms?

Oh right, we live in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. Sorry for my ignorance.

I've mentioned this before, but there is an online database which was called "MGUN" while I was an officer.

It contains all firearm info for each and every purchase done through a MD dealer or via MSP for voluntary registrations, transfers etc.. It also contains info on all handgun permits.

Any bonafide law enforcement agency can access it at any time. I used it many many times during investigations, prior to search warrants, or felony warrant services to gather intel on who had what.

The short version is that the complete info on you and every firearm you bought through a dealer or transferred via MSP is on record and available and has been for decades.

Seagrave1963 · Feb 22, 2014

A1Uniform said:
I've mentioned this before, but there is an online database which was called "MGUN" while I was an officer.

It contains all firearm info for each and every purchase done through a MD dealer or via MSP for voluntary registrations, transfers etc.. It also contains info on all handgun permits.

Any bonafide law enforcement agency can access it at any time. I used it many many times during investigations, prior to search warrants, or felony warrant services to gather intel on who had what.

The short version is that the complete info on you and every firearm you bought through a dealer or transferred via MSP is on record and available and has been for decades.

Just because it's been done for decades doesn't mean it's right. A "right" does not require registration. PERIOD.

blodter · Feb 22, 2014

Free said:
The Japanese have an expression, "People are like nails in a board;

the one that is sticking out gets hammered down."

Direct quote from Tokyo Drift.

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